A Lockheed "Rounder"

[t.creed]

thanks Rob... !!

4) Doors.
(a) The door for entering the airplane is quickly removable in flight and equipped with a lock which can be secured and opened from the outside. A lever releases the hinges. A removable cover plate replaces cabin door during parachute troop maneuvers.

rgds
t creed

 

[Terry]

I installed a cockpit light and found as soon as it comes on it turns itself back off. That must be why it was // out to begin with. Anyone know what causes this?

[LIGHTS]
// types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit, 5=landing
// 6=Taxi, 7=Recognition, 8=Wing, 9=Logo, 10=Cabin


light.0 =3, -34.32, 0.00, 3.31, fx_navwhi //tail white nav
light.1 =3, -1.07, -32.64, 3.86, fx_navred //left wing
light.2 =3, -1.07, 32.64, 3.86, fx_navgre //right wing
light.3 =2, -6.15, 0.00, -1.01, fx_strobe //bellystrobe
light.4 =1, -27.02, 0.00, 5.43, fx_beacon //tail beacon
light.5 =1, -6.15, 0.00, -3.36, fx_beacon //belly beacon
light.6 =4, 6.00, 0.00, 3.00, fx_vclight //vclight ----------
light.7 =3, -34.32, 0.00, 3.09, fx_navwhi //tail white nav
light.8 =10, -14.90, 1.34, 2.87, fx_cabinlites
light.9 =10, -5.76, 0.00, 3.02, fx_cabinlites
light.10 =10, -14.90, -1.34, 2.87, fx_cabinlites
light.11 =5, 0.2, -18.00, 1.00, fx_landing_maule
light.12 =5, 0.2, 18.00, 1.00, fx_landing_maule

 

[Milton Shupe]

I installed a cockpit light and found as soon as it comes on it turns itself back off. That must be why it was // out to begin with. Anyone know what causes this?

[LIGHTS]
// types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit, 5=landing
// 6=Taxi, 7=Recognition, 8=Wing, 9=Logo, 10=Cabin


light.0 =3, -34.32, 0.00, 3.31, fx_navwhi //tail white nav
light.1 =3, -1.07, -32.64, 3.86, fx_navred //left wing
light.2 =3, -1.07, 32.64, 3.86, fx_navgre //right wing
light.3 =2, -6.15, 0.00, -1.01, fx_strobe //bellystrobe
light.4 =1, -27.02, 0.00, 5.43, fx_beacon //tail beacon
light.5 =1, -6.15, 0.00, -3.36, fx_beacon //belly beacon
light.6 =4, 6.00, 0.00, 3.00, fx_vclight //vclight ----------
light.7 =3, -34.32, 0.00, 3.09, fx_navwhi //tail white nav
light.8 =10, -14.90, 1.34, 2.87, fx_cabinlites
light.9 =10, -5.76, 0.00, 3.02, fx_cabinlites
light.10 =10, -14.90, -1.34, 2.87, fx_cabinlites
light.11 =5, 0.2, -18.00, 1.00, fx_landing_maule
light.12 =5, 0.2, 18.00, 1.00, fx_landing_maule

You can only run so many lights before you experience this.

Delete one of the cabinlights.

 

[Terry]

You can only run so many lights before you experience this.

Delete one of the cabinlights.

Okay, thanks Milton.

 

[Maty12]

Not sure if translation is failing us here Maty, but 30-40 degrees is a bit high for level flight.

At cruise speeds, the nose attitude should be +1 degree.

Economy Cruise speed should be roughly 204MPH (178 knots) at 4000'
Set Map to 30"
Set RPMs to 1800

Milton, I have no clue what happened during that first flight, but the plane was definitely at nearly 40 degrees nose high. It's not happening anymore.

 

[mrogers]

Hi Milton,
as I'm still abroad and won't be able to fly till October, I'm still following the progress of the Lodestar. I don't know if the cargo doors open separately from the passenger door (which I would prefer) but have you thought of assigning shift + 2 or another assignment like the slash for example to the cargo doors to open separately from the passenger door?

 

[Milton Shupe]

Hi Milton,
as I'm still abroad and won't be able to fly till October, I'm still following the progress of the Lodestar. I don't know if the cargo doors open separately from the passenger door (which I would prefer) but have you thought of assigning shift + 2 or another assignment like the slash for example to the cargo doors to open separately from the passenger door?

Hi Mark

Great to see you jumping in here from abroad. Yes, actually I changed the doors earlier today as I was finalizing other issues, including the cockpit windows. I am hopefully making my final changes here shortly and will try to get all these models exported tonight before some final testing. I set all the lower cargo doors to use shift+e, 2 the cargo door (or rear canopy) assignment.

 

[Maty12]

Milton, I did notice that pedestal seems rather odd. I bring your attention to the pictures below

The lever is supposedly in the "Full Rich" area (Circled in brown), which corresponds to about 75-100% mixture. Yet the levers are at 0%

The levers are now in the yellow circle, which is marked as "Auto Rich" (50-75% mixture), yet the levers are actually between 25 and 50%.

Now the area circled in blue, which reads "Auto Lean" (25-50% mixture). Meanwhile, the levers are actually between 50 and 75%.

And finally, the green circle. It corresponds to a setting never used: Full Lean (1-25%, which is basically the point between Idle-Cutoff (0%) and Auto Lean (25-50%). The levers clearly read between 75 and 100%.

What does this mean? I believe it means the mixture levers on the Harpoon/Lodestar/Ventura, much like in the B-17 and B-24, actually work opposite to regular ones.

I don't know how I missed it, especially since these markings are also present in the Harpoon. Sorry I took so long to notice, Milton.

 

[Milton Shupe]

Milton, I did notice that pedestal seems rather odd. I bring your attention to the pictures below

The lever is supposedly in the "Full Rich" area (Circled in brown), which corresponds to about 75-100% mixture. Yet the levers are at 0%

The levers are now in the yellow circle, which is marked as "Auto Rich" (50-75% mixture), yet the levers are actually between 25 and 50%.

Now the area circled in blue, which reads "Auto Lean" (25-50% mixture). Meanwhile, the levers are actually between 50 and 75%.

And finally, the green circle. It corresponds to a setting never used: Full Lean (1-25%, which is basically the point between Idle-Cutoff (0%) and Auto Lean (25-50%). The levers clearly read between 75 and 100%.

What does this mean? I believe it means the mixture levers on the Harpoon/Lodestar/Ventura, much like in the B-17 and B-24, actually work opposite to regular ones.

I don't know how I missed it, especially since these markings are also present in the Harpoon. Sorry I took so long to notice, Milton.

Wow! Interesting, you, me and 1000 others missed it I guess because no one actually reads those labels; they are just eye candy.

Well, I can change it no problem, but I know the world will complain about them being backwards then.

Then they will want the Harpoon changed when explained.

Or, we can change the labels

Dang! What to do.

 

[lemonadedrinker]

Hi,
Above about 3000ft I drop the levers to show 30% and just go by the tooltip !

Which takes preference in the sim?... the tooltip or the position of the levers?

All of us are so used to moving the levers to that downward position I imagine it would be simpler to alter the labels !

Andy.

 

[Firekitten]

I labeled them that way because its realistic... in this... sim, you know? It's not about what's convinient for simmers. The aircraft and a lot at the time, had the mixture set that way as it ran with auto rich and auto lean systems and wanted to be easily differentiated from the pitch and throttles.

 

[WND]

Wow! Interesting, you, me and 1000 others missed it I guess because no one actually reads those labels; they are just eye candy.

Well, I can change it no problem, but I know the world will complain about them being backwards then.

Then they will want the Harpoon changed when explained.

Or, we can change the labels

Dang! What to do.

Ahhhhhhhh, the dilima that a developer has when deciding and researching on building something !!!

If this is the 'only' material that they can find, and they find no other to go against it, then they do the 'build' according to the material they have found..

Looking at that picture (in post #2149), it apparently seems that their 'mind set' was a little different than what some of us are used to 'today' !! To me, and again looking at that picture, I wouldn't want the tail wheel locked (for or during flight) and partially blocking access to my fuel selector !! And at first, I was confused with the 'prop' labeling until I realized they where referring to the pitch of the blades (low pitch / high rpm) rather than rpm - I thought that 'labeling' was backwards at the beginning !!!

I have yet to figure out the 'mixture' scenario tho !! Not unless back then their thinking was: in flight - or as the flight progressed - by moving the controls forward they would be moving them out of the way of other functions - same as the throttles !! In any case, other than the fact that the real airplane was probably developed / built long before I was around - who knows !!

In 'defense' of the 'sim' developer, if they elect to build something and 'decide' to do it as accurate as possible - based on the material they have researched / found - then I guess some of us have to learn things where a little different 'back in the day' !! lol Otherwise some of us will probably drive the developer more crazier than what they already are !!!!! lol

Just me 2 cents !!

WND

 

[Willy]

I labeled them that way because its realistic... in this... sim, you know? It's not about what's convinient for simmers. The aircraft and a lot at the time, had the mixture set that way as it ran with auto rich and auto lean systems and wanted to be easily differentiated from the pitch and throttles.

Which makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Maarten -]

I labeled them that way because its realistic... in this... sim, you know? It's not about what's convinient for simmers. The aircraft and a lot at the time, had the mixture set that way as it ran with auto rich and auto lean systems and wanted to be easily differentiated from the pitch and throttles.

Which makes perfect sense to me.

It does indeed. In fact, Team Uiver has that realism implied in their DC-2.

Cheers,
Maarten

 

[manfredc3]

And realism is what makes developments stand out from the pack. Even with things as simple as the direction of the levers.

It would take away a lot of the fun flying different aircraft if they would all work the same.

You could always add a little "Note" in the readme file relating to the mixture lever. Oh sorry, how dumb of me...who ever ****, or even a readme file. Us men always think we already know it all

 

[Milton Shupe]

And realism is what makes developments stand out from the pack. Even with things as simple as the direction of the levers.

It would take away a lot of the fun flying different aircraft if they would all work the same.

You could always add a little "Note" in the readme file relating to the mixture lever. Oh sorry, how dumb of me...who ever ****, or even a readme file. Us men always think we already know it all

Thanks everyone for the comments.

I will be correcting the lever animation in the Lodestars and Ventura; there really is no other option for me.

As for the Harpoons, I do not intend to change and release a fix. Exports on that side is a 4-hour effort if I get everything right the first time otherwise it could easily cost me a day. But maybe sometime in the future.

 

[Milton Shupe]

Lodestar Changes

The Lodestars did not have electric fuel pumps. They used a hand pump and engine pumps.

The start procedure calls for the hand pump to be used until Fuel Pressure is 15 lbs.
Turn on the boost pumps and then crank.

The hand pump in the VC is problematic for me. I am therefore adding electric pumps to the overhead panel beside the Boost pumps.
Since all buyers have that right to modifications of the aircraft before purchase, Lockheed had no objections.

So this is where there will be added.

 

[Maty12]

Are people really that surprised about reversed mixture levers? I mean, the B-17 has them. So does the B-24. Am I to assume no one here has those in FSX?

Also, while on the subject, the middle 2 levers read closed and open on that photograph of a real Lodestar on the previous page, while the left 2 levers read high cruising and low cruising. Open and closed usually refer to the throttles, and High and low to Prop Pitch (High being High RPM and low being Low RPM). While I could be wrong, I'm pretty sure this means the middle levers are actually throttle and the left ones pitch. Does anyone have a copy of the Lodestar flight manual?

 

[Milton Shupe]

Uh, yes, I am surprised I did not see this and that it works this way.

After 13 years of modeling aircraft, these Lockheeds were the first time to see it, or in my case, not see it.

No, I do not have those aircraft. I spend all my time building; I don't even fly my own after release.

 

[Maty12]

Milton, this video (Along with Firekitten's pictures) supports my theories. Pause at 0:52. The video shows the plane parked, with the propellers at high rpm, throttle and mixture cut. This'd show that the mixture lever does in fact work in reverse and that the throttles are actually the middle 2 levers, while the 2 left levers are prop pitch.