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Douglas A20 Havoc

Milton Shupe said:
Steve, you could use the P-70A1 ("C" based model) for those early variants I suppose to get access to the paint-able plexi.
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That sounds like a good old Baldrick style cunning plan. I'll have a look see sometime soon.
Meanwhile here is an early WIP shot of the Aeroflot 1953 scheme.
 

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For those that are interested, an update to the A20C model paint kit has just been uploaded to the library. The update includes two files: one for the original C model incorporating mapping changes to the cheek gun covers and one that incorporates these changes as well as panel line, rivet and access panel changes appropriate to Milton's new Russian model.

note: the non-Russian version is also intended for use with the P-70A1.


BTW, Steveb - fantastic paints you have going there sir!
 
SteveB said:
That sounds like a good old Baldrick style cunning plan. I'll have a look see sometime soon.
Meanwhile here is an early WIP shot of the Aeroflot 1953 scheme.
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That is a neat looking paint scheme SteveB. Progressing very well. :applause:
 
wellis said:
For those that are interested, an update to the A20C model paint kit has just been uploaded to the library. The update includes two files: one for the original C model incorporating mapping changes to the cheek gun covers and one that incorporates these changes as well as panel line, rivet and access panel changes appropriate to Milton's new Russian model.

note: the non-Russian version is also intended for use with the P-70A1.


BTW, Steveb - fantastic paints you have going there sir!
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Thanks for that update Sir :)

Here's a direct link to the file, and it is also posted in the original C Paint Kit description:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=4&id=22776
 
Cheers for the nose job guys.



Steve
 

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I got some more time on this scheme today.

Steve
 

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Douglas A20 Havoc DB-7 Armee de l'air GB1/16

here my try to make another french version of this fine bird
the experts certainly will see it is far away from beeing perfect
yours
Papi
 
That Soviet version of the A-20 is of particular interest to me. A group of surviving family members of the crew of a P2V-5W shot down off Vladivostok in the early 50s is seeking further information from the US and Russian govts about the fate of the crew. Transcripts of radio intercepts re: the incident and provided me by one member of this group - who in turn received them from their US govt liaison - show Russian fighters (probably Yaks) firing on the Neptune, and make mention of it going into the water. They also mention the fighters were led on their patrol course by an A-20 that did the navigating for them. I wonder if it looked like the one in the illustration . . . .
 
Another WIP this time my 4th and final French scheme.

Steve
 

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wellis said:
Great livery sir!! I look forward to the day we can download them. :applause:


Still grinding away here on the vc...
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I am hoping to have a couple of C model beta scheme releases ready for upload next weekend, for those who don't paint but are flying the model.
I am planning for the C model, 4 poss 5 French ( i'm fighting the urge too paint red and yellow stripes on one). A couple of USAAF, and an unknown number of Soviet's.
As for the G model I am planning 6 or so soviet schemes so far, but won't have anything downloadable for a while.
Here is a shot of my early USAAF, 62/3B, 3rd Bomber Group, October 1941, scheme.
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This one is still also WIP, but this side is mostly done.
 

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SSI01 said:
That Soviet version of the A-20 is of particular interest to me. A group of surviving family members of the crew of a P2V-5W shot down off Vladivostok in the early 50s is seeking further information from the US and Russian govts about the fate of the crew. Transcripts of radio intercepts re: the incident and provided me by one member of this group - who in turn received them from their US govt liaison - show Russian fighters (probably Yaks) firing on the Neptune, and make mention of it going into the water. They also mention the fighters were led on their patrol course by an A-20 that did the navigating for them. I wonder if it looked like the one in the illustration . . . .
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The Soviet's had Boston's from both USAAF and RAF stocks during WW2, very rarely repainted other than over painting previous insignia's.
As the G models became more numerous the earlier C models where issued too fighter groups as navigation and control aircraft. In the Soviet armed forces only politically reliable personnel where allowed access too maps, so it was more than likely one of the fighter groups commissar's Navigating in the A-20 reported flying with the Yak's.
I hope the Family get the information they seek, There will be a report buried in the vast archives in Lubiyanka somewhere.

Steve
 
Steve thanks for this fascinating insight into Soviet doctrine. I remember seeing somewhere that only certain officers within Soviet or Eastern-bloc armored formations were allowed to see maps; Western observers (there were a few) invited to observe the usual autumn Soviet counter to REFORGER reported only very few Soviet officers were observed to be carrying and using the maps. Almost certainly politically-reliable commissars as you mentioned, since there was always the embarrassing possibility one of the regular Russian armored vehicle crews might otherwise take advantage of proximity to Austria/West Germany to drive up to the border and make it obvious they wished to surrender.

Maybe for some of that good German beer.
 
SteveB said:
I am hoping to have a couple of C model beta scheme releases ready for upload next weekend, for those who don't paint but are flying the model.
I am planning for the C model, 4 poss 5 French ( i'm fighting the urge too paint red and yellow stripes on one). A couple of USAAF, and an unknown number of Soviet's.
As for the G model I am planning 6 or so soviet schemes so far, but won't have anything downloadable for a while.
Here is a shot of my early USAAF, 62/3B, 3rd Bomber Group, October 1941, scheme.
Steve
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Thank you Steve for bringing on these Soviet paint schemes and some of their background. Very interesting, and much appreciated.
 
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