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Just a darn minute, ETO guys!

popsaka

popsaka

re-member,remem-ma-member
If you've been hidin' this incredibly beautiful model and paint (which BTW has the wrong 'prop blurred') then what else do ya have concealed up yer collective sleeves, HUH? ...you were just waitin' for some poor dumb flatfoot like meself ta notice (?) WELL ...C'MON ...speak up... where's the rest 'a it ...an' I'm warnin' ya ya has better come CLEAN by golly:violent: :)p:)

(been waitin' YEARS and YEARS for the rest of Josh's unreleased stuff ta surface...)

Plus "digital spitfire" I noticed is no more...:crybaby:
 
Pop

I think Rbp has published a "catalogue" thread with all the contents of ETO Update...see his ancient threads.

N.
 
BTW I have the 4 blade 'prop_blurred' fix for the ETO Seafire_IIc if anybody DESIRES it....

ALSO, On a clipped "E" wing wouldn't it be "2x20mm + 2x50 calibre (12.7mm) and not that pansey-ass pair 'a 303's????:eek:
Huh huh huh?... (he continued madly 'huh'-ing for the next few minutes thinking it would somehow make his comment more VALID).... and he mumbled on: "...hafta climb right uppa bandits' tailpipe or its no better'n bl*:icon_eek:*dy SPITballs..."

(Better wait a few before responding...:rolleyes: I think pops sounds REALLY upset... We'll jes let 'm cool down abit...):p:
 
Beau, guys, I read any and every readme and/or credits I could find but, except for the actual 2 xdp's (Seafire IIc & Seafire 1b) I've been unable to find joy... Now, here's my best guess (pending the facts, that is):
I think SOME-body (like maybe Mathias-bless his pea pickin' heart-) has been SITTIN' on 'em all this time an' thought they'd give us an early Xmas present...:santahat: (cause if anyone's been able to reach Josh, they sure ain't tellin'!!)

Also if anyone has a copy of the old "digital_Spitfire" sight--pages PLEASE pm me for an email address... I'd be much obliged!!
AIN'T I the pushy one tho'??:p:
 
The clipped wingtips were fitted to any Mark after the Spit MkV inclusive. They had no incidence on the armament type, whether C, E or Universal. Since they could be exchanged at will in a couple of hours if that, you sometimes see unexpected combinations such as MkVI or VII aircraft with standard tips.

The MkIIc had a C-type wing, which this one does not have. Note the absence of "stubs" covering the unused cannon port. Having said that, I'd expect the wider cannon bay covers rather than the later slim ones as here. Not normally used on B wing aircraft, either.

And as it has the six-stub exhausts more typical of the MkIII, one wonders quite which type it is supposed to be.

Four blade prop aside, though, it makes a useful stand-in for the late Spit MkVs which were optimised for low-level work.
 
Thanx, Nigel... I'm guessing Josh was thinkin' a IIc/ mk III crossover/hybrid(w/ the 4 blade)... that type of thing was common on Malta, wasn't it?... I just wish I could document those guns in the Seafire 'E' clipped wing bein' 50's... (I thought 50 calibres in a clipped 'E' wing wuz a given, but, after all we ARE talkin' about Malta then, hmm?)
 
MkIIc and MkIII Seafires had 4-blade props as issue.

But it did get me searching - and I have found a photo of a MkIII with the B wing. So there you are. All the MkIICs I've found have - logically - C wings. You work it out. Bloody sailors!

The E wing was not necessarily clipped - don't let MS fool you! A, B, C, or E refer to the wing's armament fit, and that is all. It does not take into account the type of wingtip fitted!

The A wing had four .303 Brownings.
The B wing had 1 20mm Hispano and 2 .303 Brownings.
The C wing usually had the B armament fitted, but could carry 2 20mm Hispanos.
The E wing could carry 1 Hispano and 1 .50 Browning or 2 Hispanos.

That is per wing.

Three types of wingtip were available - standard, clipped and lengthened. The lengthened ones were rarely seen on any other than the specific HF aircraft; HF.MkVI and VII. Most HF.MkVIIc aircraft ended up using the standard wingtips, which makes then a bit more challenging to identify!
 
This is the sort of thing I meant. Still WIP... Many of the later MkVs still in service in early-mid 1944 had the six exhaust stubs, cropped superchargers and clipped wings, for use under 10,000ft.
 
ndicki said:
Many of the later MkVs still in service in early-mid 1944 had the six exhaust stubs, cropped superchargers and clipped wings, for use under 10,000ft.
Click to expand...

Cropped, clipped and clapped as some pilots rudely described them!
 
popsaka said:
I think SOME-body (like maybe Mathias-bless his pea pickin' heart-) has been SITTIN' on 'em all this time an' thought they'd give us an early Xmas present...:santahat: (cause if anyone's been able to reach Josh, they sure ain't tellin'!!)

:
Click to expand...

Won't tell ya what I got in my safe, matey. If you'd know............:gossip::kilroy:

BTW, has someone tried to catch Josh via his website?

http://jziebarth.com/
 
Nigel, that a/c w/ the D-Day pajammies izza verra verra mean lookin' 'ombre!! From down here (in cut paste world) yer paints have truly gone on ahead ta the next level... NICE!!

So aforementioned 'Mean-Lookin' One' could be either a MkIX a MkV or (?) ...Didn't the '9' have a bit more nose on her? (Mk VIII MkVII and MkIX) ...whilst the 'Vs' were still stubby Like a MkII IA etc.(?)
...and while I'm rolling along, at what point did we see the twin radiators? Did this go back to the MkVIII's?
... and one last one (just ta earn me-me halo 'a stars) I'll just bet the whole lot AGAIN became unpredictable when we refer to the 'PR' versions...WOT? :isadizzy:

(BTW cheers & thanx for the leg (finger) work) (WAM that don't sound quite kosher...):p:
 
Popsaka, that is pure MkVb, apart from the barely visible tailhook, and the four-blade airscrew. The oil coolers are the correct asymmetrical type, and it has the short nose of the 40-series Merlin. Don't be fooled by the six-stack exhaust stubs as these were often retrofitted to MkVs.

The MkIX had symmetrical coolers, a longer nose to house the 60-series Merlin with six-stack exhausts, and a fixed tailwheel. Early MkIXs were often rebuilds of MkV or even MkI/II airframes, so initially, those were the only significant differences. Various cowlings were used, again, some being made with lengthened parts from the MkV. Further mods involved the broad chord rudder introduced on the MkVIII, and new elevators. Most MkIXs had the C or E type wing; despite rumours, none had the A type, although a very tiny number of early machines may have had the B type.

The MkVIII has the above features, but with a retractable tailwheel and pointed, broad chord rudder. Internally, the fuselage was reinforced and therefore stronger. All MkVIII aircraft had the C type wing. MkVIIIc aircraft were deployed in the Med and Far East only.

The final Merlin-engined variant to see service was the MkXVI; these were externally identical to late-build MkIXs, and differed only in that they were fitted with the American-built Packard Merlin. These aircraft all had the E type wing.

No Mark number at the time differenciated between the full fuselage and the cut-down fuselage types. The cut-down fuselage could be fitted indifferently to the MkIXe and MkXVIe without the aircraft's designation changing. Later Griffon-engined models did make the difference, as in the Mk21 (full) and the Mk22 (cut-down).

Seafires were a basterd (the word appears to be forbidden by those who forbid such words!) mixture of "off the shelf" parts all assembled according to FAA recipes. The first true naval Spitfire derivative was the MkIII, which introduced the folding wing. It gets a bit complicated... But the Seafire MkI was only a Spit MkV which belonged to the Navy, and the MkII was a mildly modified MkV, as shown above.
 
Thanx, Nigel ...I really do appreciate your knowledge on the subject... Don't know why I'm so fascinated... Just love Spits, I guess... Did you watch the "Spitfire Ace" show about the lads who competed for a chance to be classically 'combat' trained in the mark IX trainer? How cool is that!!!


BTW I received a reply from Josh Ziebarth who says he never modeled any Spits... (This kid is quite talented in his own write tho'!)

Zuyax, where are you? :)p:)
 
Actually, I got it wrong. The Seafire MkIII had a Merlin 55 engine, which was the Merlin 60 series without the two-stage blower - so the same nose as the MkIX Spitfire. Bloody sailors! For some reason, the Navy didn't like the two-stage supercharger; the Seafire MkXV (Griffon) didn't use it either. Don't ask me!
 
Perhaps Josh was the artist... They were initially "marketed" as being by the "Three Aces". If Bill Wilson was one who did the FM/DM...

The Read-Me for the MkV says this:

Spitfire Mk 5B Version 1.0

Aircraft for Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 3

(c) Three AcEs Design Group
1 September 2003

3d Models and Textures by Josh Ziebarth "Zuyax"
Air, xdp and cfs files by Bill "Spitfrnd" Wilson using the 1% FM spreadsheet V2.85.06 and Damage spreadsheet v2.32.
LODs and 3D modeling guidance was provided by Mathias Pommerien, whose assistance was greatly appreciated.

I suspect the usual culprits.
 
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