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Vickers, Ky Busch and Ambrose...top three qualifiers..

i'm predicting an Ambrose win..................:jump:
 
And the F1 driver misses the field. My fantasy racing team is well represented this week:mixedsmi:
 
And Kyle Busch will win. He has developed into one heck of a road racer. Needs to be considered for the American F-1 team. IMHO, the most talented American driver there is, attitude or not.

Caz
 
ambroze lost an engine,so hes starting at the back..speed will be in the 87.vickers will win..and my friend allen mispley originally from auburn ca now from charlotte,built the engine in Kyle's car this weekend..so i suppose i better root for him....
 
Read your other post in Newshawks dave, interesting story.

Marcus is about as good a road course driver on the track, but starting from the rear of the field on a road course is near impossible to get through the field. Vickers is coming into his own and I'm glad to see that. But Rowdy is the best driver in NASCAR, perhaps the world at the moment.

I am a motorsports nut, stock, open-wheel, two wheels, off-road; I don't care, I follow it. Ir would be good to see how Rowdy would do in an open-wheel racer, maybe let him try an Indy car first. I truly believe he could be the one American hope in F-1, if there is a proper F-1 in a year.

And why is it wombat that when you put an open-wheeler in a stocker, they can't drive from dookie. At least in the modern day, only Smoke and on road courses, Robbie Gordon and Juan Pablo, have shown muted success. Yet you say a stocker isn't fit to drive an open-wheeler. :isadizzy:

I wish some big timer would put their money where my mouth lies and get KB in an open wheeler. Kid's a musician with a race car/truck. If you're a master with stringed instruments, you can play anything that has them. Kyle Busch can drive anything on wheels!

Caz
 
imho this has been the best nascar race all season...i wish nascar had more road races..
 
redriver6 said:
imho this has been the best nascar race all season...i wish nascar had more road races..
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I must agree, maybe we should add some right turns at the ovals. :icon_lol:

I was hoping Marcus could pull a rabbit out of his hat, but Kaine was not to be denied, he beat two fine road course drivers at their own game.

Caz
 
i would have never picked Kahne..but he proved it wasn't a fluke with all those late restarts...
 
The #9 car has been steadily improving since they finally made the decision to go to the new Dodge engine...
 
Cazzie said:
And why is it wombat that when you put an open-wheeler in a stocker, they can't drive from dookie. At least in the modern day, only Smoke and on road courses, Robbie Gordon and Juan Pablo, have shown muted success. Yet you say a stocker isn't fit to drive an open-wheeler. :isadizzy:Caz
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I think it's more the present generation of former F1 pilots who can't adapt to NASCAR.
Let us not overlook Andretti, Gurney and Foyt back when 'Racers were Racers', or Robbie Gordon and Tony Stewart who drove CART/IRL before they went NASCAR.
Even Jimmy Clark had a few reasonable runs the few times he drove.

I'm not saying one of the present generation of NASCAR hot-shots are not 'fit to drive an open wheeler', far from it.
However, common sense (and history) tells me that jumping out of a 1500+kg oval tracker, powered by a very basic engine driving an agricultural chassis into a skittish and complex open wheel Formula car is not going to work.

Hamilton and Vettel (for example) started racing karts as small boys, moving up the food chain via the various series designed to groom possible F1 'stars', even if a Kyle Busch were to start right now in something like GP2 or even A1GP he'd be almost regarded as 'too old' ....... :kilroy:

I should add that 'Ironhead Junior' gave us a great laugh when he remarked that he would 'like to drive the Australian V8 series when he finished NASCAR'!!!
The quick drivers out here all started in their early teens (or sooner) driving karts and/or FF, moving into the taxicabs sooner rather than later.

IMHO the only way an exceptional NASCAR pilot can start to go for F1 (or whatever) is to do a couple of IRL seasons and then A1GP at least.

The present generation of F1 mechanical mice are just too far from the present generation of NASCAR heavyweights.

No offence intended (as always!) Caz.
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No offense taken and I did say modern day open-wheelers. Those old GP and Indy drivers could drive anything with wheels. The thing is, most of NASCAR's young guns started in go-karts too. Burtons, Buschs, Gordon, etc. all started in go-karts as young kids.

Junior would never make it in the Ozzie V-8 series, boy doesn't know how to turn right! :icon_lol:

I do agree that a driver should never jump straight to F-1, think I said he should start in a lower series first. It's the same in stock cars, shouldn;t go straight to the Cup series, ruined Casey Atwood's career.

Caz
 
Junior would never make it in the Ozzie V-8 series, boy doesn't know how to turn right!
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actually he was doing fairly well yesterday until he got caught up in one of the melee's....i think he made into the top 10 at one point.
 
Well,
The Earnhardt/Ganassi merger has definitely been fruitful for Montoya....

Juan is now the top driver in the Earnhardt/Ganassi garage & also 12th in points....:)
 
redriver6 said:
actually he was doing fairly well yesterday until he got caught up in one of the melee's....i think he made into the top 10 at one point.
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He has several top ten finishes at Watkins Glen, but at Sonoma he can never get a top twenty. Junior's largest problems are his lack of ability to take care of his equipment and tell his CC exactly how the car is handling.

Caz
 
Cazzie said:
Junior's largest problems are his lack of ability to take care of his equipment and tell his CC exactly how the car is handling.

Caz
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i dunno..its loose...its tight....i mean what else is there. these cars are so susceptible to minute changes in wedge...air pressure, tire circumference, spring rubber, tow out, tow in....i heard Jr. on the radio a couple of races ago and he was giving detailed discritptions of what the car was doing throughout the turn. unless he is just wrong about wheather the car is loose, tight or neutral....:isadizzy:

take for instance the current F1 points leader...Mr. Button i believe..did you see his car during the last race? did he all of a sudden loose his ability to tell the crew chief what his car was doing?

i'm really not part of 'Jr. Nation' but i do like the guy and i like to see him do well...unlike his daddy who i couldn't stand.

i guess he has maybe the rest of this year and next year to improve...if that don't happen he'll most likely be looking for a ride in a lower tier team.
 
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