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tutorial on ribbed wings

RobH said:
Cees, I am not familiar with the plane you are painting, so not sure if the ribbing is supposed to have hard edges or soft edges, but I personally like the tutorial that Stratobat posted. I personally like the 3d effects it gives.

With the method I use, you can of course adjust the opacity to make them softer or harder edge.

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That looks great Rob!

Cees
 
Only softening of the front edges perhaps? I only did the upper wings, the elvators and ailerons are next.

Cees
 
doped fabric coverings

Cees Donker said:
Only softening of the front edges perhaps? I only did the upper wings, the elvators and ailerons are next.

Cees
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You are getting the idea now.... However, keep in mind the SCALE effect!! the upper edge of the rib (light part) is WAY TOO WIDE! In a real plane it looks like it woud be like half a foot wide...Remember the light part (edge of the rib) is maybe ... tops... about an a quarter inch wide or so... if you notice on the quickie example I did for you... the edge is very thin... for the surface of the wing has to be really quite flat... otherwise such a scallopped surface would create all sorts of vortices that in turn translate into parasytic drag.. which in turn would greatly affect lift...
So get that edge that catches and refracts light as thin as you can... Also, as an aside, the ailerons have their own SMALLER ribs...which of course cannot catch the light in the same manner as the wing... so that edge glint effect is going to have to be, again, much fainter... and differen in shape... check the wing I posted above on the Corbel wing in OD color...
 
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Cees, is this your first aircraft model ?

If so its looks very good !
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Thank you! I started last summer on a D.XVI. That is one is very near completion. But as I have that idiotic habit of starting other projects without first finishing the first one, I have three planes in the 'factory'. The D.XVI needs textures, which I'm learning now on this S.IV.

:wavey:

Cees
 
gaucho_59 said:
You are getting the idea now.... However, keep in mind the SCALE effect!! the upper edge of the rib (light part) is WAY TOO WIDE! In a real plane it looks like it woud be like half a foot wide...Remember the light part (edge of the rib) is maybe ... tops... about an a quarter inch wide or so... if you notice on the quickie example I did for you... the edge is very thin... for the surface of the wing has to be really quite flat... otherwise such a scallopped surface would create all sorts of vortices that in turn translate into parasytic drag.. which in turn would greatly affect lift...
So get that edge that catches and refracts light as thin as you can... Also, as an aside, the ailerons have their own SMALLER ribs...which of course cannot catch the light in the same manner as the wing... so that edge glint effect is going to have to be, again, much fainter... and differen in shape... check the wing I posted above on the Corbel wing in OD color...
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Thank you gaucho! Vary valuable advice!

Cees
 
Further example.. effect to shoot for

Cees Donker said:
Thank you gaucho! Vary valuable advice!

Cees
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Here is another... more refined example... I am redoing the Grumman Duck...
Just be patient and keep redoing till you get it just the way I know you want it...
You are certainly progressing fast... Let me see your next step on this dutch plane you are doing...View attachment 37256
 
Nice work on the ailerons Gaucho. The cocardes/nationality markings do look a bit wierd? Perhaps on the wrong place in the layer hierarchy?

Cees
 
Hey Cees,

Looking very good :cool:

When you're done with the ribbing, have a look at this tutorial:

- http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/forums/f37-photoshop-tutorials/making-surface-texture-effects-463/

You don't have to follow all the steps in the tutorial but if you place the flowers below the ribbing layers and just above the base colour layer and set it to overlay (I think) and then turn down the opacity to roughly 20%, it'll break up the base colour a little and give it a slightly weathered/ scuffed look.

You can also duplicate the flowers layer and invert the colour and add a little motion blur in the direction of the airflow to increase the weathered look but be subtle; it's very easy to over do it :)

There's a zip file in the comments section below the tutorial.

Regards,
Stratobat
 
weird?

Cees Donker said:
Nice work on the ailerons Gaucho. The cocardes/nationality markings do look a bit wierd? Perhaps on the wrong place in the layer hierarchy?

Cees
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View attachment 37290View attachment 37291

Indeed.... they probably are a bit on the large side... I just left them the original size...I think they can stand to be reduced by 10% or so... I have the original in layers so I can change the size... and maybe the position too...gotta look at some pictures of the real thing and see how they were back in the prewar era...
They are in the right layer though... the fabric highlights show through them...as they should... Good observation though! I am still at the beginning of the repaint...so things can be changed...
 
Stratobat said:
Hey Cees,

Looking very good :cool:

When you're done with the ribbing, have a look at this tutorial:

- http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/forums/f37-photoshop-tutorials/making-surface-texture-effects-463/

You don't have to follow all the steps in the tutorial but if you place the flowers below the ribbing layers and just above the base colour layer and set it to overlay (I think) and then turn down the opacity to roughly 20%, it'll break up the base colour a little and give it a slightly weathered/ scuffed look.

You can also duplicate the flowers layer and invert the colour and add a little motion blur in the direction of the airflow to increase the weathered look but be subtle; it's very easy to over do it :)

There's a zip file in the comments section below the tutorial.

Regards,
Stratobat
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I remember that from the paintkit for the ww2 fighters Me109 by ICDP! Nice effect. I mean the noise witht the gaussian blur.

Cees
 
having lots of fun!

Modelling, painting, fine tuning, a huge learning proces. Time for a little tongue in cheek.....

Cees
 
It's really starting to take shape, Cees... Looking very good :applause:

Could you post a screenshot of the tail area please?

Regards,
Stratobat
 
Never try to elude the eye of a repainter!:icon_lol: That is the section that needs reworking, not only the paintjob but also the modelling.

:jump:

Cees
 
Hey Strat,

Yes. I contacted the man who's in charge of the restauration of that S.IV, Dick Funcke, and he promised to send some drawings of the cockpit, the interior. Most things in the cockpit will be animated. I can visit the site of the retauration as it is only a one and a half hour drive from where I live!

:salute:

Cees
 
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