war bird or not warbird

[michaelvader]

Hallo friends,

as you have perhaps seen I posted two different versions of the Fw 200 Condor at the FS2004 screenshots
The facts are that the restaured aircraft was an ex Luftwaffe Fw 200C-4 coded F8+BR.
When you live in germany you can perhaps understand why the restaurators decided to make the plane completely
neutral. This can be seen not completely as a falsification. As the plane is restaured it can be seen as aFw 200B.
The Fw 200B was a planned civil version for the Lufthansa with reenforced structures, twin wheel landing gear,
more powerfull engines and increased endurance. The Luftwaffe did take all the few Fw 200B buid and used
them as transport aircraft. The decision to make it in neutral paint may be a point of discusion. But so the aircraft
it self is the important object and not his historic background. So the realy nice shape of the elegant aircraft comes
in the foreground - from my point of view; yes I find this decision not bad. Before giving an aircraft a false paint,
a neutral paint gives the aircraft more own personality.
If the plane had been restaured in the USA, perhaps it would be complete as warbird and why not flying "perhaps and if"
On my side I take my hat off to thank the restaurators for the work they did

Certainly there are other point of view possible

Best Regards

Michael

 

[ian elliot]

military, or civil, it was a fine looking aircraft. I visited the The Deutsches Technikmuseum (German Museum of Technology) in Berlin about 15 years ago, and standing next to the main undercarriage leg of a Condor they had on display, that was impressive enough

 

[huub vink]

How many ex-military C47s are restored and currently flying in a nice and colourful civil livery?

I think the FW200 will look stunning in its pre-war silver and black livery with a red tail band, and the Lufthansa or Focke Wulf logo in the white dot.
But I'm well aware that this will bring back memories to the dark days of German history, so it wouldn't surprise me that the FW200 will keep its current silver livery.

Cheers,
Huub

 

[leuen]

But I'm well aware that this will bring back memories to the dark days of German history, so it wouldn't surprise me that the FW200 will keep its current silver livery.

A post bringing us finally back to the roots. Not of the Luftwaffe, of course, but those of SOH! Refering to your lines above, what about all the JU-52 still flying around some years ago and once seen often and disadvantageously in Mediterranean area and elsewhere?

Bernard

 

[jgf]

To put it in a military livery would mean displaying the swastika, which I've heard is illegal in Germany, outside of very special circumstances. Some model kits have been released without swastika decals for this reason, and people have complained of models displayed with them even though it is historically accurate.

The FW200 is a fine airplane no matter how it is painted.

I recall one FS modeler, no longer with us I believe, who did not put armament on his military aircraft, and asked that they not be converted to CFS. He was a child during WWII.

 

[zswobbie1]

The Fw-200 IS a great model to have, both in civilian & military forms, thanks to Shessi & others..
As for the Ju-52!!! also one of my favorite's.
I found a Ju-52 done by Data Becker, and of course we the Ju-52's from Oliver Fisher, Vladimir Zhyhulskiy & Pierino Primavesi.
Dont get me started about the Antonov An-2!!

 

[michaelvader]

Good morning friends,

thank you for your posts to this topic,
Their would also have been another solution. The Fw 200 also seeled to other countries for example Denmark.
And after the war flew in spain under spanish colors So some civil alternatives would have been.
But I will come bach what I said before - the neutral color shows us the real elegant lines of this aircraft.
This solution might perhaps be a possibiliy for other aircraft?
When I look on most warbirds on the european circuit or on photos of warbirds in america, they are all restaured certainly with love and big knowledge, and money. But they look better than factory build. No one dares to present an aircraft as it looks after some weeks in field use.
For that I must take down my hat for Huub's repaints of aircraft! They look, "living" and used > real.

Have a nice day

Best regards

Michael

 

[michaelvader]

That makes me rember an anecdote of "Black 6". this aircraft was a Messerschmitt Bf 109G-2trop the britsh army once captured on the north african front.
The aircraft still belonged to the British Ministry of Defence. A private groups restaured the plane to flying condition. A lot of research was done about the planes history. Than after the restauration it looked as if it came just to its german unit for service, brand new.
When th Black 6 should come to germany to participe on airshows, the germans demanded that the swastika on the aircraft should be overpainted.
The answer of the british was clear and simple. "No other country has to tell us how we paint aircrafts belonging to the Ministry of Defence. And when we represent history we represent history as it was and as you want" And the german did accept.

Best regards

Michael

 

[Motormouse]

Talking of Black 6,

The great ‘Black 6’

Twenty years after its last flight, the Ministry of Defence-owned,...

www.key.aero

I knew Paul Blackah ( that gets a mention) in RAF; small world this aviation.

Ttfn

Pete

 

[michaelvader]

Hallo oh yes it has been a great team who restored Black 6 to flying condition.
When we have seen her at Duxford, she become my wifes prefered aircraft of all
She realy loved Back 6.

Kenavo

Michael

 

[Dangerousdave26]

To put it in a military livery would mean displaying the swastika, which I've heard is illegal in Germany, outside of very special circumstances. Some model kits have been released without swastika decals for this reason, and people have complained of models displayed with them even though it is historically accurate.

The FW200 is a fine airplane no matter how it is painted.

I recall one FS modeler, no longer with us I believe, who did not put armament on his military aircraft, and asked that they not be converted to CFS. He was a child during WWII.

Ito San

Specifically you were not to convert them to CFS2. They were all FS2004 models so conversation to CFS2 was easy to do. I am sure we still get people posting his converted models to the CFS2 library. They get taken out as fast as they go in.

 

[Sbob]

I kind-of got to know Kaz a long time ago during the early days of FFDS. He didn't model actual aircraft, he modeled plastic aircraft models, if that makes sense.
I don't think he was born during WWII, more like a child of the 1960's. Kaz was slowly going blind, which was why he needed a model he could touch.
Kaz built a lot of military aircraft (again, plastic models) but he was a pacifist, which was why he would include the "no boom" stuff.

Either way, he took the time to say his aircraft were never supposed to be "armed" for CFS and we supported his views as an author.

 

[jgf]

a child of the 1960's

I did not know him personally, but one of the last posts i saw from him was a few years ago, he mentioned he was 82. He had built scale models for years (how many of us can relate to that, lol) but lost everything when his home was destroyed in a storm, and found a talent for creating FS models. I wish him smooth sailing wherever he is.