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JF Tornado GR1 RELEASED

DaveWG said:
I think it's possibly the huge size of the mdls that are the problem. The exterior model is 94mb & the VC model over 100mb, with well over 1000 drawcalls! Looking though my hanger, the next biggest is the JF Canberra, but most other complex aircraft are in the 20-30mb range. I appreciate this is a complex & well detailed model, but those file sizes seem excessive to me.
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Perhaps here is the problem. Model is overtextured and has too many drawcalls.
Can You check for example AS F-14 for this?


btw. Tornado topic on JF forum:
http://forum.justflight.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=27112&PN=1&title=tornado-gr1-framerate-issue

some people said about 8-10 fps in VC... : (
 
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I think Im just gonna sit tight on purchasing this one for a couple of months. Let the kinks get worked out and see what folks say then. Much as I love the Tornado, what I read here suggests caution.
 
YoYo said:
Perhaps here is the problem. Model is overtextured and has too many drawcalls.
Can You check for example AS F-14 for this?
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The AS F14 VC model is 13mb & 890 drawcalls, external model 24mb & 783 drawcalls.
Any moving parts like switches etc will add drawcalls, so I don't think they're going to be lowered much & still keep all the functionality. It's the large size of the mdl that concerns me.
 
ejoiner said:
I think Im just gonna sit tight on purchasing this one for a couple of months. Let the kinks get worked out and see what folks say then. Much as I love the Tornado, what I read here suggests caution.
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+1!
With a low end machine like mine, for sure I'll wait a lighter model.
 
Beta testers have, as far as I'm aware average computers. Mines not a particularly high end rig, but it is sufficient:

Intel i7 4790K 4.0GHz
GeForce GTX 970
16GB 1866 Ram

The computer is set up as per Nick N's recommendations and I run Horizon/Playsims photo scenery on FSX and Orbx on P3D, REX textures and ASN.

Ian
 
Hehe, then I guess I'll have to refrain from buying this suberb Tornado. I'd like to, but my i7 960 @ 3,7 Ghz will certainly disagree :monkies:
 
If any of you users, who are struggling to get any performance with the Tornado, would like some help.. send me a PM.

- Joseph
 
Dumonceau said:
ok, time for some truth or dare!

Dear Betatesters, we dare you to share with us the specs of your testing rigs!! :biggrin-new:

Johan

PS: this is all just in good humour. I always have been and always will be a staunch supporter of JF!
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AMD FX-8350 4.0 Ghz
EVGA GTX 550ti (Stock Speed)
8 Gb Cheap "Team" Branded memory
Biostar A960D+ Mobo
2 x 1 Tb Seagate Barracuda Drives
 
Dumonceau said:
ok, time for some truth or dare!

Dear Betatesters, we dare you to share with us the specs of your testing rigs!! :biggrin-new:

Johan

PS: this is all just in good humour. I always have been and always will be a staunch supporter of JF!
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Last updated more than 2 years ago, so hardly state of the art; i5-3570 3.4GHz OC to 4.60GHz, GTX 660, 8GB Kingston Hyperx DDR3 2400 and MS-FSX installed on it's own SSD.
Like other beta testers, I too am surprised at the FPS reaction but am sure JF will deal with this.
 
rezn550 said:
after getting it to run fairly smoothly it appears that the plane always banks a bit to the left. i have to trim it around 5% to the right to fly straight on.
i checked this out with and without loadout but it doesn't matter

also i can't see any parts of the plane when i turn my head in the VC with trackIR

is this normal or is there something wrong with my sim ?
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rezn550 said:
yep that was my first thought too but it happens only in the tornado not in other planes
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miragecy said:
Same case with me

Andy
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This was bug reported during the beta and I was the only one experiencing it. Like you, I found it made no difference whether loaded or clean and I repeatedly checked for fuel imbalance.

Then, for the last few beta versions (including the release candidate), the problem vanished. Thinking back though, it may well have been connected with changes I made in the controller settings after reading some comments by A2A about how 'we' should configure things. It was along the lines of 'use max sensitivities and min null zone'. There was a very good explanation of why this should be done, and seemed to revolve around the fact that most users have the wrong impression about what these settings do and how they should be set, including me. Anyway, I changed the settings as per their suggestions and maybe by pure chance, I now have a Tornado that flies straight.
 
Hi all

We are currently working on an update which we believe will address the performance issues without removing any functionality from the aircraft. This update should be available later this week.

If you are encountering a CTD in P3Dv2 after installing the performance hotfix, please download this replacement panel.cfg file and move it into your Tornado GR1 panel folder (P3Dv2\SimObjects\Airplanes\JF_TornadoGR1\panel), overwriting the existing file: http://cdn.mastertronic.com/justflight/support/updates/TornadoGR1/panel.cfg

Thanks
Martyn - JF
 
Thanks Martyn. Will try out the new panel.cfg later.
Looking forward to the patch. At the moment performance for me is acceptable, but could be better.
It's a superb model and I'm intending to spend quite a bit of time flying it.
 
Looks like I'll hold off on installing this jet, despite getting it on pre-pay. I'm on the mid-range of computers and from what I'm reading, it wont be good until a patch is released. Luckily I've got others to fly in the mean time.

-Jeff
 
I must say that I am awed by the stellar support of JF once more.

I logged a ticket on their site this weekend, got home from work just now and low and behold: a reply with a solution! AND with good news on a forthcoming update to alleviate the performance problems!

I can now run the Tornado with the hotfix and am eagerly awaiting the forthcoming update!

A BIG thumbs up from me to JF!!

Cheers,

Johan
 
Couldn't agree more Johan:encouragement:

Prior to this, JF were my favourite FS software company and they remain so. Buying is painless.. downloading is painless.. re-downloading is painless regardless of how many years have passed (it's always there in your folder) and their support has no peers;)

ATB
DaveB:)
 
Paul Golding said:
This was bug reported during the beta and I was the only one experiencing it. Like you, I found it made no difference whether loaded or clean and I repeatedly checked for fuel imbalance.

Then, for the last few beta versions (including the release candidate), the problem vanished. Thinking back though, it may well have been connected with changes I made in the controller settings after reading some comments by A2A about how 'we' should configure things. It was along the lines of 'use max sensitivities and min null zone'. There was a very good explanation of why this should be done, and seemed to revolve around the fact that most users have the wrong impression about what these settings do and how they should be set, including me. Anyway, I changed the settings as per their suggestions and maybe by pure chance, I now have a Tornado that flies straight.
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I forgot to note this earlier but I have a 'left-hander' Tornado too. My joystick settings are default.. never played with them at all. Past experience (particularly during beta testing new models) has shown that any model displaying this characteristic is the fault of the model(airfile/cfg) not the joystick and to be honest.. keeping default settings is.. IMHO.. the way to go. You have to have a yardstick and 'default' is it.

Still.. I'm always open to suggestion and willing to keep an open mind. If the Tonka still goes to the left after the coming patch.. I'll certainly check out the sensitivities change;)
ATB
DaveB:)
 
This did crop up in testing, we found that the boz pod / skyshadow on the outer pylons being of different weights were causing an exaggerated assymetric behaviour. That was sorted, though, by simply assigning them the same weight. I've just run through the .cfg file and can't see anything obviously assymetric in there but I'll look through it in a bit more depth after my shift tomorrow.
 
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