Blackbird D30 Alpha release coming May 1st

Even if it's an Alpha, it still is the first C-130J with the right cockpit, so I'm sticking this thread.

Priller
 
Even if it's an Alpha, it still is the first C-130J with the right cockpit,
Well, that's a matter of opinion, Jan..

It used to be one of the most appealing VC's ever.. :
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Now we get this :
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A bunch of boring iPad's, that's it..

No country (cockpit) for old men (Coen Brothers for Presidents ;-)
 
Hi Jan,

With "the right cockpit" I didn't necessarily mean the prettiest, just the correct one for the J-model! ;)

Jan
 
Well, as Jan (Priller) said, that is the J model and that is its correct and rather well made panel imho. No fan of Ipad cockpits myself but this is how the real one looks and operates.
 
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Hi Jan,

With "the right cockpit" I didn't necessarily mean the prettiest, just the correct one for the J-model! ;)

Jan
Sure thing, Jan, of course. Don't take me too seriously...

I just can't help having a crack at glass cockpits whenever opportunity knocks. I've seen this unholy 'progress' in cockpit development pushing my beloved steam gauges out of the cockpit more and more over the last 40 years, coincidently the same period i have been flightsimming... Steam gauge aficionados are doomed... But that's just a dedicated aviation hobby'ist speaking. Of course i do full well understand that glass cockpits in the real world are the best thing since sliced bread ( i think it would be interesting to know what RW pilots think of that statement.. :) )

And btw, i believe that goes for our virtual flying world as well. I mean "glass cockpits being the best thing since sliced bread". Developing time of a virtual glass cockpit is obviously very seriously reduced compared to the development of a steam gauge cockpit. Ask Captain Sim... ;o)

That's truly something i, for one, worry about.. Just compare default MSAsobo aircraft with glass cockpit VC's against aircraft with steam gauge VC's..
 
Well, as Jan (Priller) said, that is the J model and that is its correct and rather well made panel imho. No fan of Ipad cockpits myself but this is how the real one looks and operates.
Sure thing, Dimus, and as always CS does a wonderful job creating it. Always been a big fan of CS in the graphics department, both inside and out. Although they do not stand out that much anymore compared to contemporary (i.e. MSFS2024) aircraftmodel developers. And that's a good thing of course.

It's just that, as far as eyecandy is concerned, glass cockpits are a very poor alternative to what we used to be able to feast our eyes on. If you ask me 'eyecandy' is extremely important to immerse oneself into the art of 'virtually operating an aircraft'. In that respect a glass cockpit helps only half or even less than a proper steam gauge cockpit would. And i think that the juxtaposition of the earlier, steam gauge cockpit of the C-130 and the later glass cockpit of the H and J models as depicted above speaks for itself.

Undoubtedly many flightsimmers couldn't care less about 'eyecandy'. I can only advice them to try MSFS2024. The Mother of Eyecandy ! :cool:
 
Of course i do full well understand that glass cockpits in the real world are the best thing since sliced bread ( i think it would be interesting to know what RW pilots think of that statement.. :) )

And btw, i believe that goes for our virtual flying world as well. I mean "glass cockpits being the best thing since sliced bread". Developing time of a virtual glass cockpit is obviously very seriously reduced compared to the development of a steam gauge cockpit. Ask Captain Sim... ;o)

That's truly something i, for one, worry about.. Just compare default MSAsobo aircraft with glass cockpit VC's against aircraft with steam gauge VC's..
I'll take ashot at both questions Jan.

As for real life flying my only experience is to compare a fully steam Cessna 172 with one that has a complete Garmin 650 suit with digital HSI and digital artificial horizon. I have so far only scratched the surface of what this combo can do as I only fly VFR but an instructor has shown me one of the built in ILS approaches in inclement weather and I was impressed to see a runway threshold appearing right after breaking cloud base. I now demand the club to give me that plane when I plan a cross country trip. I do however always try to keep my traditional navigation skills current ans electronics do fail.

As for development time, I have not developed a plane myself but followed the development of many. If one decides to stick a set of default MSFS "glass" gauges maybe they will get a VC in no time. However, if one decides to simulate all or nearly all of the real functionalities of the "Ipads" you see in the J with their military specs and fuctions it takes a whole bunch of complex coding, deep reasearch in hard to get manuals and lots of dev time.

I have to say that for sim flying I myself also prefer simpler things and would never spend time to learn the complex workings of the J systems and would prefer a steam version that I could simply take up flying. I just have respect for those who research and code these complex systems for those who fancy using them in the sim.
 
Thank you, Dimus !

Well, honestly it has not been unusual for me to see a runway threshold before me when coming out of the murk on a 'strictly steam gauge' IFR flight during an ILS approach...I mean, such a sight is not really reserved for digital ILS gauges only, is it... I must say watching the localiser needle creeping in on its way to the middle of a steam gauge and trying to keep it there has always been part of the great fun it is to fly IFR. Still the same in a glass cockpit of course but for me... i don't know, not *really* the same....

As you can understand my knowledge of RW glass cockpits and the development of their digital counterparts for our beloved virtual flying world is at an absolute minimum. This statement already holds the 'reverse contradiction' in itself that worries me so much: they are both the same ! Both we ourselves and our RW colleagues looking at the same digital stuff ! Most simmers will say : "What's wrong with that !" And i have to sort of humbly agree...

Maybe this little anekdote will explain better what i'm talking about. One of my first Flightsimulator creations was an engine sound for the first ever DC-3 model in FS made by John Kelly (might have been FS5..). We were obliged to fly this aviation icon using the sound of the default Cessna 172...
Can you image that ? Yessir, really true. So i couldn't just sit there and let that happen, learned how to create sound for FS and put a sound file together that sounded as much as i could manage as the Pratt & Withney concert for two R-1830 Twin Wasps. ( not easy because no internet yet...)

My first upload for FS ever. I believe it was thru Compuserve back then. Already quite a vast FS community. I'll never forget the first comment i got for uploading my DC-3 sound file. It was from RW 747 Captain Mel Ott aka 'Captain Tarmac'. He said " Thanks very much for the DC-3 sound, Jan. I LOVE flying the DC-3 in the sim, i can always fly a 747 at work ! "

Computers are made to produce digital instruments for aircraft a.o. Without computers no flightsimming possible. Both real word and virtual world come together like two peas in a pod. Our home computers simulating RW computers..Personally i can't think of anyhing more boring than that... (take with a pinch of salt please...;-)

Computers simulating mechanical gauges that's a total different kettle of fish. Personally i find that waaay more interesting and exiting not to say innovating.

Surely creating a glass cockpit is no joke either and maybe the same amount of work and time goes into it if, like you say, there is 'n exceptional amount of functionalities involved ( although 'knowing' Captain Sim like we all do that would be an exception to the rule....;-)

In ending another example: many moons ago i created an ATR-42/72 model. I was asked by a friend who ran a Virtual Airline. Myself i didn't know anything about the ATR. Thru the development of it i began to fall in love with the graceful commuter also because i got aquainted with a RW co-pilot who flew ATR's for American Airlines. An absolute gorgeous steam gauges panel was created for it (must admit with glass AHRS and HSI). It became one of my fav aircraft to fly in FS and so i was over the moon when i heard about the release of a native ATR-42/72 for MSFS2020. I bought it instantly and have never been dissapointed so much when for the first time i entered the cockpit. The gorgeous looking steam gauges panel had been thrown overboard to make place for 5 boring iPads in a row..... :dejection:

Even the beautiful external model cannot persuade me to fly it. I have a small hope maybe it will be refurbished sporting the original steam gauges panel some day.

I know it's probabely an oddity here but i do love these Busses and Boeings as well, coming over my house each day (when the wind is southerly) on their way to Schiphol 19L, 19C and 19R and certainly now we have 'Sayintensions' and 'Chase Plane' (soon) i'll be putting some of them thru their paces so no doubt i will have to take my share of dealing with these glass cockpits. So be it.... One is an aviation hobbyist or one is not.... ;-)

Thanks again for your respons, Dimus ! :encouragement:
 
Lots of showcasing of the D30 in the recent twitch broadcast, after 25:20. Before that you see views of the upcoming A6M5 Zero (end of May), Otter and Twotter and some short discussion on the SR-71:

 
Did you notice that ? When d'André asked Farley to show External View of the Dirty Thirty during taxi Farley answered something like: " not that much of an External Viewer, i'm in the cockpit almost 100% of the time". Then he *did* bring up the external 'Chase View' *and kept it there !*...

Chase View being the absolute worst and uninteresting view on a plane ! No wonder that he doesn't give a hoot about External View.... He does seem to think that looking a plane up the butt is the only External View there is ! :LOL:

Thanks for video, Dimus. Some interesting stuff to see there. I'll be awaiting the radial Otter mostly. D30 looks wonderful but unlike Farley (kudos to him for being a fantastic modeler ! ) i'd rather fly it almost 100% in External view ! Hehe
 
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Did you notice that ? When d'André asked Farley to show External View of the Dirty Thirty during taxi Farley answered something like: " not that much of an External Viewer, i'm in the cockpit almost 100% of the time". Then he *did* bring up the external 'Chase View' *and kept it there !*...

Chase View being the absolute worst and uninteresting view on a plane ! No wonder that he doesn't give a hoot about External View.... He does seem to think that looking a plane up the butt is the only External View there is ! :LOL:

Thanks for video, Dimus. Some interesting stuff to see there. I'll be awaiting the radial Otter mostly. D30 looks wonderful but unlike Farley (kudos to him for being a fantastic modeler ! ) i'd rather fly it almost 100% in External view ! Hehe
At certain sun angles, the exterior panel lines in their screenshot look a little heavy.
 
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Not my normal purchase but it pretty good for Beta. Have to get used to the systems.
 
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