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Douglas A20 Havoc
- Thread starter Milton Shupe
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wellis
SOH-CM-2025
Steve, that is another stunning paint scheme, wow! Thank you for the variety and the quality from your paint shop.
Thanks Milton, I should have a dozen ish schemes ready for when the beta is released. Mostly French and Soviet, as I have the pilots ready for them.
Steve
jamminjames
Charter Member
I'm licking my chops over this release. I've been flying the old Alpha one so long it's wore out!!!!
wellis
SOH-CM-2025
A small question for Milton, will the antenna and antenna mast be textures?
Huub,
I am sorry Sir; they are mapped generally to the strut2 bmp that is shared by 50 other items.
michaelvader
Members +
Just to say: wow,
wow for what I did see as pic where Huub has a question concerning the antenna aerials.
The bird is looking so real . so real used. not as usual a fabric new plane but as a one who has lived.
I like them like this.
Yours
Papi
wow for what I did see as pic where Huub has a question concerning the antenna aerials.
The bird is looking so real . so real used. not as usual a fabric new plane but as a one who has lived.
I like them like this.
Yours
Papi
Thanks for the reply Milton and you really don't have to feel sorry
Papi, thanks for the nice words. I love to make them weathered!
Cheers,
Huub
Many times in the past, I am asked about where antennas are mapped so they can be painted to match the aircraft.
It has always been my understanding that antennas are not painted but remain in the original covering from the manufacturer.
I always thought that painting antennas would diminish reception quality and that is why I rarely map them, unless requested to do so.
Does anyone have definitive knowledge of this so I can be better informed.
It has always been my understanding that antennas are not painted but remain in the original covering from the manufacturer.
I always thought that painting antennas would diminish reception quality and that is why I rarely map them, unless requested to do so.
Does anyone have definitive knowledge of this so I can be better informed.
Milton, as far as I know was the aerial antenna mast normally painted. As this was just a mast to attach the actual wire antenna(s) to. Paint would not have had any effect on the effectiveness of the antenna. On some Italian fighter (Mc202 for instance) the mast was made of wood and often not or only partially painted.
You could be right that directional (round) antennas weren't painted, however the streamlined foot on which they were mounted were made of the same material as the fuselage. Therefore, at least in my humble opinion, it is only logical that they finished in a similar way as the fuselage. Which is painted on the painted aircraft and polished on the late war polished aircraft.
Although the (aluminium) antennas from the Lichtenstein radar antennas on the Messerschmitt Bf110 Gs were painted as well (there are quite some pictures showing this). However the Kodachrome colour pictures from the P-61 show the antennas weren't painted.
The only original maintenance manuals I have are from early war Dutch aircraft. In the paint directives it says that the aerial mast has to be be painted in the same way as all other metal parts of the aircraft.
So as said I think the aerial antenna mast was normally painted (on painted aircraft). On the colour pictures I have been able to find this was the case. For the directional antennas I think only the streamlined foot was finished in the same way as the fuselage.
Therefore my humble question is it still easily possible to apply textures on them or would that be a huge operation?
Cheers,
Huub
BTW Milton did I already tell you that I'm really enjoying this aircraft
You could be right that directional (round) antennas weren't painted, however the streamlined foot on which they were mounted were made of the same material as the fuselage. Therefore, at least in my humble opinion, it is only logical that they finished in a similar way as the fuselage. Which is painted on the painted aircraft and polished on the late war polished aircraft.
Although the (aluminium) antennas from the Lichtenstein radar antennas on the Messerschmitt Bf110 Gs were painted as well (there are quite some pictures showing this). However the Kodachrome colour pictures from the P-61 show the antennas weren't painted.
The only original maintenance manuals I have are from early war Dutch aircraft. In the paint directives it says that the aerial mast has to be be painted in the same way as all other metal parts of the aircraft.
So as said I think the aerial antenna mast was normally painted (on painted aircraft). On the colour pictures I have been able to find this was the case. For the directional antennas I think only the streamlined foot was finished in the same way as the fuselage.
Therefore my humble question is it still easily possible to apply textures on them or would that be a huge operation?
Cheers,
Huub
BTW Milton did I already tell you that I'm really enjoying this aircraft
Milton, as far as I know was the aerial antenna mast normally painted. As this was just a mast to attach the actual wire antenna(s) to. Paint would not have had any effect on the effectiveness of the antenna. On some Italian fighter (Mc202 for instance) the mast was made of wood and often not or only partially painted.
You could be right that directional (round) antennas weren't painted, however the streamlined foot on which they were mounted were made of the same material as the fuselage. Therefore, at least in my humble opinion, it is only logical that they finished in a similar way as the fuselage. Which is painted on the painted aircraft and polished on the late war polished aircraft.
Although the (aluminium) antennas from the Lichtenstein radar antennas on the Messerschmitt Bf110 Gs were painted as well (there are quite some pictures showing this). However the Kodachrome colour pictures from the P-61 show the antennas weren't painted.
The only original maintenance manuals I have are from early war Dutch aircraft. In the paint directives it says that the aerial mast has to be be painted in the same way as all other metal parts of the aircraft.
So as said I think the aerial antenna mast was normally painted (on painted aircraft). On the colour pictures I have been able to find this was the case. For the directional antennas I think only the streamlined foot was finished in the same way as the fuselage.
Therefore my humble question is it still easily possible to apply textures on them or would that be a huge operation?
Cheers,
Huub
BTW Milton did I already tell you that I'm really enjoying this aircraft
Thank you Huub for that detailed explanation.
I will map the parts and report back.
Thank you Huub for that detailed explanation.
I will map the parts and report back.
Thank you Milton for taking my request in consideration. As you can see below, even the other antenna was completely painted.....
Cheers,
Huub
Thank you Milton for taking my request in consideration. As you can see below, even the other antenna was completely painted.....
Cheers,
Huub
Well, I got this notification right after I exported the mapping changes for the FSX native version.
Unfortunately, I did not remap the loop antenna, but will.
I have decided to make it easy on all involved (including Wellis and the paint kits) and map the antennas to the fuselage where the base sits, and laid rearward. This then would pick up the color they sit on and should accommodate the multi-colored schemes well.
If anyone has issue with this, speak now or forever hold your peace.
Bomber_12th
SOH-CM-2025
Just a comment regarding the antennas - the dorsal antenna mast on the A-20, as Huub mentions, was just a post to attach the radio command set and radio compass set wires to, and would have been painted to match the aircraft (depending on the make/model/production period, the antenna masts changed on the A-20, with some appearing to be wood and others appearing to be metal). Even in a generic sense, such as in the case of the common wooden AN-104 antenna mast, for instance, they were painted to match whatever finish the aircraft had from the factory - with a choice of either silver, olive drab, or navy blue. However, for the MN26 ADF/DF loop antenna, as modeled, I've only ever seen them (authentically/originally) painted in their factory shade of olive drab, regardless of the finish on the rest of the aircraft - on bare metal aircraft, the MN26 loop antennas always remained olive drab, and on all black-painted night fighters, the MN26 loop antenna still remained olive drab (a shade/hue that might not be the same as on the rest of an olive drab/green painted aircraft either, since there were different shades/hues of olive drab used throughout the war and produced by different companies).