DSR: DX10 Bliss at 1920x1080

[heywooood]

Just to be sure - on your system - this is when FSX is in full-screen mode and not in a window?

It may be something to do with enabling/disabling the Aero theme <?>.

I use an FSUIPC command to re-enable Aero on FSX startup (as FSX disables it by default). There's a good article about that here: http://forum.avsim.net/topic/423474-dx10-steves-fixer-and-aero-theme/

Adam.

yes full screen - I do not use the windowed method.
I use Steves Fixer but have never considered Aero one way or the other...I do not re-enable it if FSX shuts it off then it is off when I use FSX
Isnt Aero just a series of useless visual gimmicks, fades images on switching, drop shadows around icons, themes and a whatnot...? all the stuff I shut off on purpose to streamline Win7...? I like a gray taskbar...

gratuitous screenshot of the Zlin at O85 near Redding with DSR enabled

 

[Adamski_NZ]

yes full screen - I do not use the windowed method.
I use Steves Fixer but have never considered Aero one way or the other...I do not re-enable it if FSX shuts it off then it is off when I use FSX
Isnt Aero just a series of useless visual gimmicks, fades images on switching, drop shadows around icons, themes and a whatnot...? all the stuff I shut off on purpose to streamline Win7...? I like a gray taskbar...

I agree about gimmicky eye candy. However - if you read through to near the bottom of the first page of that topic/link, you'll see some people reported that they need to have it re-enabled. Maybe it's because they use Aero as their desktop theme - and switching from Aero to non-Aero is the problem <?>.

I just checked my desktop - looks like I don't actually have Aero running as my desktop. I still have an FSUIPC script running to turn it on, though ... hmmm .. shouldn't be there!

Adam.

 

[heywooood]

I agree about gimmicky eye candy. However - if you read through to near the bottom of the first page of that topic/link, you'll see some people reported that they need to have it re-enabled. Maybe it's because they use Aero as their desktop theme - and switching from Aero to non-Aero is the problem <?>.

I just checked my desktop - looks like I don't actually have Aero running as my desktop. I still have an FSUIPC script running to turn it on, though ... hmmm .. shouldn't be there!

Adam.

I will defer to your expertise on the matter, Adam - you have done more qualitative experimenting than I have.

I'm more of a dartboard hack when it comes to most PC issues - but - for whatever reason, the slight enhancement of switching the settings in the screen resolution interface to make text and icons larger is the difference between me being able to see and read the now fine print in FSX menu items, and not.

 

[Adamski_NZ]

I'm more of a dartboard hack when it comes to most PC issues - but - for whatever reason, the slight enhancement of switching the settings in the screen resolution interface to make text and icons larger is the difference between me being able to see and read the now fine print in FSX menu items, and not.

This one has me stumped! I tried again last night - with and without the Aero re-enable. I get larger fonts etc. on the desktop - and the settings apply to other applications (like OPUS) that are in supplementary windows, but the text in FSX menus when in full-screen mode (and DSR operating) is unchanged. I wonder how you have your system set up that you get it working and I don't :lol:.

However - increasing the font size makes a bit of a mess of my desktop - as well as over-enlarging any other application I choose to run (other than FSX) so I'm not likely to use this "fix". It's easier for me to quickly drop FSX into windowed mode when I want to read the small print!

Adam.

 

[heywooood]

This one has me stumped! I tried again last night - with and without the Aero re-enable. I get larger fonts etc. on the desktop - and the settings apply to other applications (like OPUS) that are in supplementary windows, but the text in FSX menus when in full-screen mode (and DSR operating) is unchanged. I wonder how you have your system set up that you get it working and I don't :lol:.

However - increasing the font size makes a bit of a mess of my desktop - as well as over-enlarging any other application I choose to run (other than FSX) so I'm not likely to use this "fix". It's easier for me to quickly drop FSX into windowed mode when I want to read the small print!

Adam.

my desktop is unaffected by my alteration - the only discernible change I have is the mouse pointer is swollen to double its normal size
maybe the difference is in the DSR setting - I have it at 2x(1980x1200) for 2715x1627 @ 33% smoothness net res. on my HP monitor and I have beautiful images with no hit to my FPS / in fact - I have an average 10-15% increase in FPS overall from prior to the DSR tweak

 

[heywooood]

I had tried 3x and 4x @ 23% as the OP suggested but there was no way I was going to be able to read those fonts - not to mention my GPU load was spiking, my FPS was jittery from 8FPS - 31FPS as an idea of the level of stuttering I was getting.

I noticed the OP said he DID NOT try anything less than 3x with an absolute 23% smoothness as the ONLY recommended number to use....I scoffed - I tried the 2x @ 33% and I am in a whole new world of FSX bliss

 

[Adamski_NZ]

... and great screenshots they are too!

Here's some eye-candy from me! DSR mode active:

Adam.

 

[heywooood]

thats a real nice shot of the Billy Mitchell - nice skin too

 

[rvn817j]

Just Tried the DSR Tweak...I've Got to Comment

First I will give some background - Rig = AMD FX8350, small OC to 4.2 GHz, GTX 760 with driver 344.60. I'm mostly running GEX UTX around my area (Minneapolis, MN), but once in awhile I shift to FTX Yellowstone or Jackson Hole.

I have gone through Adamski_NZ's setup manual for DX10 and purchased Steve's DX10 Fixer. Prior to that I got 15 - 30 FPS with OK graphics. After setting up DX10 stuff there was a "pop" in my graphics, but not a stupendously great pop. BUT...it was better!

I just did the DSR thing to 3X and 23%. First thing I noticed was in settings that allowed me a great resolution 3325x2078x32. Anybody know where that came from? I picked it to give it a try. Loaded my old faithful Lancair Legacy and took a spin. There was another "POP" in graphics. I'm still getting a smooth 15 to 30 FPS, but definitely more eye candy. I also have the tiny text, but I'm OK with that. Another question for those that might know...why do some of my roads have "jaggies"? Some are very good and some are not. (And I do have traffic that run pretty smoothly so I might try trading some traffic for FPS.)

Another question for those that may have an opinion - would a higher resolution monitor make a difference (mine is 1920x1200). (I just noticed on my screen resolution selection panel I have 3325x2078 selectable!)

My bottom line is that I'm very pleased with the transition from where I started before Adamski_NZ's setup manual, Steve's DX10 Fixer and the DSR fix. Good stuff. (TIA for any answers to my questions.)

Edit to add photo and comment:



See photo above for road jaggies (and the sign from Mall of America - better in the pix on my computer, but right side of photo by empennage). Can the road jaggies problem be solved? (How do I upload photo with better resolution?)

 

[Adamski_NZ]

DX10+Fixer won't give you substantially better framerates - but it will give you better graphics (you can probably move all sliders one notch better) - and less OOMs.

I also have a 1920*1200 monitor. What DSR is doing (on the fly) is using the full resolution FSX is set to (3325x2078 in your case) then downsampling it to a mere 1920*1200 ... BUT ... because there's more information to work with, the resulting image is better quality. The same would be true if you downsized/resampled an image in a decent photo editor (like Photoshop). I'm amazed that the graphics card can do all this so quickly (and smoothly) - and still process HD clouds better than before. I'm adding a section on DSR to the "How-To", when I can work out how to put all this DSR stuff into simple language!

I don't think your image would be *that* much better on a larger monitor - not sure - anyone?

The "jaggies" will more than likely be just poor resolution scenery tiles. If you can read off that SLEW info from the top left, I'll see what I get on my system - providing it's either default FSX or a scenery area I own.

Adam.

 

[rvn817j]

Thanks. I was using GEX UTX (North America). Do you have that? (I assume you may not.) If you do I will send the coordinates.

 

[lownslo]

Another question for those that may have an opinion - would a higher resolution monitor make a difference (mine is 1920x1200). (I just noticed on my screen resolution selection panel I have 3325x2078 selectable!)

Technically, yes a higher res monitor would help (even though Nvidia claims that DSR will better benefit lower res monitors). Starting at a higher res and then using DSR will simply result in a higher res image with the oversampling of DSR. The FSX image we see on our 1920 x 1200 monitors today looks better than what we had ten years ago with FS at 1024 x 768 monitors.

Regarding your jaggies, you can go back into Nvidia Control Panel and enable more resolutions that will then show up for you to choose in the FSX Graphics menu. Try different multipliers and slider settings to get an image you like. Also, you can combine AA settings with the different DSR resolutions... for example, you might find that 2X DSR+some Slider % with some level of AA in Nvidia Inspector looks better to you.

Keep in mind, too, that shooting pics at a high DSR setting+no AA will result in more jaggies than what we see in the moving image as we fly. The screen capture will simply have no AA, so the only thing smoothing the image is the high DSR res. It may or may not deal with the jaggies we see in screenshots depending upon our hardware and image settings.

HTH,

Greg

 

[TheFamilyMan]

My OP was aimed specially and only at my setup: a gtx 780 driving a 1920x1080 panel. I listed only what I found worked best for this setup. It was not meant as a comprehensive guide for any computer (which maybe Adam will take care of this soon). I thought that this was really the only thing I could reasonably post for any other information on hardware which I did not own would be 100% conjecture. But as a rule of thumb, as one decreases the DSR factor the smoothing must be increased to knock out the jaggies. The downside to doing this is that more detail is blurred as you move to lower DSR factors. The bottom line is for any card less than a gtx 780 you probably have to tune the DSR settings I listed to your preference; just beware that at a certain point DSR may become a diminishing return such that placebo effect starts creeping in. I would have added all this text to my OP if I could so edit it.

@ rvn817j:
I use UTX as well and have no overall problem with roads as you show. But I have seen this jaggy roadway stuff happen in some areas before; I think it's an artifact of how FSX deals with making a straight road texture into a road that is bending ever so slightly. Trying flying over the same area with your pre DSR settings. I bet you'll find the same jagginess. People got to remember that DSR can't fix everything.

@ Adam:
That is one fine shot!

 

[rvn817j]

Went back into the DX10 How To / Setup guide to make sure I was setting up AA properly. I had it OK, but made one tweak for my GTX 770. I set AA to 8x in nVidia Insp. and messed around a little with DSR. I ended up with DSR to 3.00x / 23%. Except for a few road jaggies now and then it is working very well and smooth. (I might have to wear my reading glasses to read the text, but that is a trade I'm willing to make.)

Edit: Now a gratuitous picture of me in my favorite airplane:

 

[ncooper]

The bottom line is for any card less than a gtx 780 you probably have to tune the DSR settings to your preference.

A humble GTX 570 can handle 4.00x, 3360x2100 (16:10 monitor) even with 4xSGSS set in Nvidia Inspector.
It makes a colossal screen shot though, this one is resized down to 1000x625

This is what it says top left, blurred because I have had to
resize it up enough to read.

Regards,
Nick

 

[rvn817j]

Great shot Nick. How do you insert shots here at SOH at higher resolution?

 

[ncooper]

A good question, I tried to attach the original in .jpg format but now I think it might have been better
to zip it up and let anyone who wants to download and view it at their end.
The original .bmp file was 26 MB!
The reduced one makes the point in this case, I think.

Regards,
Nick

 

[Adamski_NZ]

Thanks. I was using GEX UTX (North America). Do you have that? (I assume you may not.) If you do I will send the coordinates.

I don't have any GEX, I'm afraid. Only ORBX areas: NZSI/NZNI/NZMF/NZQN/AUS/YSCB/YMML/YSCH/ENG/PNW/PFJ/NCA.

As others have said, it's more likely to be a scenery problem than an antialiasing/DSR one.

Adam.

 

[noddy]

Taken at 4x with a GTX680

 

[rvn817j]

I have an older computer with a Core2Duo CPU running Vista into which I installed a GTX 660 several months ago. It runs FSX adequately and I use it once in awhile if I am at the place where that computer resides. With all this DSR talk I was by that computer and tried to turn it on. Surprise, no ability to select it even though I'm running the most recent video driver. Can anyone confirm which cards DSR is available on? TIA