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F1 2010: German GP @ Hockenheim.
- Thread starter Ferry_vO
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Wing_Z
Charter Member 2011
OK Here's a Doodle
We look at the lap times in qualifying, and they look pretty close, but how does that translate into distance on the track?
Hence this little doodle, which starts them at the same moment on their best qualifying lap...
When Vettel completes his hot lap at 300 km/h on the main straight, where are the others?
Alonso is about a hand-span behind him, here are the rest:
(Barrichello and Rosberg are out of sequence on this grid because their best time was not in Q3)
That's after only one lap...
We look at the lap times in qualifying, and they look pretty close, but how does that translate into distance on the track?
Hence this little doodle, which starts them at the same moment on their best qualifying lap...
When Vettel completes his hot lap at 300 km/h on the main straight, where are the others?
Alonso is about a hand-span behind him, here are the rest:
(Barrichello and Rosberg are out of sequence on this grid because their best time was not in Q3)
That's after only one lap...
wombat666
Administrator
...is all I have to say now...
Disqualify the entire Ferrari team for the rest of the season!
Never ever going to stop it Ferry.
We don't know (but have a good idea!) what the driver contracts have to say, and considering Massa signed up for another two years and Alonso was not going to have another MacLaren situation to deal with ....................... the more things change, the more they stay the same.
I loved seeing both the Brawns go down one lap BTW!!!
And Kubica did his usual job of out-driving his car.
:ernae:
Hey All,
Who is the bigger dog in F1? FIA or Ferrari? If the manufacturer is the bigger dog - as it apparently is - F1 will never be a legitimate racing series.
This entire idea of a racing series being about the manufacturer (lose that weird constructor term) and not the racing team (individual car team and driver) is just flat bogus in my opinion.
Do F1 fans come to see McLaren win? Or do they come to see Lewis Hamilton win? Will FIA ever get the answer to this question right?
I liked F1 at one time but when I started seeing drivers "pull over" to let their teammate win the series lost all credibility. How many of Schumacher's 7 titles were truly earned rather than given to him because of team orders? That coupled with the unwillingness to punish popular drivers and the sheer lack of "action" on the track (Canadian race was an exception - good race!) - how can anyone be a fan unless it's the only game in town.
JMO
-Ed-
Who is the bigger dog in F1? FIA or Ferrari? If the manufacturer is the bigger dog - as it apparently is - F1 will never be a legitimate racing series.
This entire idea of a racing series being about the manufacturer (lose that weird constructor term) and not the racing team (individual car team and driver) is just flat bogus in my opinion.
Do F1 fans come to see McLaren win? Or do they come to see Lewis Hamilton win? Will FIA ever get the answer to this question right?
I liked F1 at one time but when I started seeing drivers "pull over" to let their teammate win the series lost all credibility. How many of Schumacher's 7 titles were truly earned rather than given to him because of team orders? That coupled with the unwillingness to punish popular drivers and the sheer lack of "action" on the track (Canadian race was an exception - good race!) - how can anyone be a fan unless it's the only game in town.
JMO
-Ed-
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
Back in the days before the rules tightened, you could root on a constructor....I used to be a huge Ken Tyrell fan because of his innovation....I was also a Ligier & Brabham fan too....
Nowadays it's a bit tougher - but as long as folks like Adrian Newey are around, I suppose it's still possible to be a constructor fan...
Wing_Z
Charter Member 2011
Poor Felipe: forever doomed to be the #2 driver
Race Engineer Rob Smedley: "Felipe, Fernando has the faster car. Please acknowledge that you understand this"
Massa: "*&F%U^C%K%#"
Smedley: "Sorry, mate..."
(Ex-Ferrari boss) FIA President Jean Todt now has the unenviable job of prosecuting his beloved team, the entire world having heard the above radio exchange.
Even Alonso looked as if he would have preferred to be anywhere but in the #1 position for the post-race interview. If he wins the championship (as well he might) it will forever be tainted by this day.
Unfortunately for Ferrari, it is very clearly against the rules to influence the outcome of the race in this way:
Race Engineer Rob Smedley: "Felipe, Fernando has the faster car. Please acknowledge that you understand this"
Massa: "*&F%U^C%K%#"
Smedley: "Sorry, mate..."
(Ex-Ferrari boss) FIA President Jean Todt now has the unenviable job of prosecuting his beloved team, the entire world having heard the above radio exchange.
Even Alonso looked as if he would have preferred to be anywhere but in the #1 position for the post-race interview. If he wins the championship (as well he might) it will forever be tainted by this day.
I don't really mind the tactic all that much in this instance. If Massa is silly enough to put up with this stuff...that's his blue. Only thing I don't want to see is a return to the days where a team car is used as a 'blocker' to stop other competitors from advancing through the field.
wombat666
Administrator
Here's my take on the situation, in addition to the contractual negotiations mentioned earlier, Massa simply is not and never will be anything more than a 'Number 2 Driver'.
He's the latter day Ferrari equivalent of Barrichello, capable of the odd victory on a very good day but in no way championship or team leader material.
As for Ferrari being favoured by the FIA, 15 odd years ago it would be very much the case, over the past 5 seasons I (personally) feel they have become a soft target.
Ed, most of the so-called 'fans' of today are inclined to follow a Constructor/Team first and a Driver second, the exception being the 'Nationalistic' fan boys who wave the flag for Spanish or German drivers (for example).
I'm old school, drivers first and up until 1996 a rabid Ferrarista, however, these days I find the F1 'Constructors' have lost touch with real world 'Manufacturers', where 'Mercedes' is only a label stuck on a team that have no roots with the name and a nondescript Asian company can field a 'Lotus' that is only labeled as such because they 'Own' the name, while I have yet to see any form of production car wearing the 'Red Bull' badge.
I should add that the connection between any manufacturer running in NASCAR and the vehicles that roll off their production lines is in name only, as the power-plants are virtually identical and the rest of the car is 'Cookie-Cutter' identical.
Can the average consumer purchase a pushrod V8 wearing a Holley off the showroom floor today??
The same applies to our 'Australian' Supercar Series, the only differences between GMH and Ford are engine and bodyshell, while the GM teams can't run the Australian made Holden engine (since the late '90s regulation that they must use the Chevrolet small block) and Ford ceased manufacturing a V8 in Australia at least 15+/- years ago.
So I remain a follower of drivers first and foremost, no more and no less, with not many to choose from at that.
He's the latter day Ferrari equivalent of Barrichello, capable of the odd victory on a very good day but in no way championship or team leader material.
As for Ferrari being favoured by the FIA, 15 odd years ago it would be very much the case, over the past 5 seasons I (personally) feel they have become a soft target.
Ed, most of the so-called 'fans' of today are inclined to follow a Constructor/Team first and a Driver second, the exception being the 'Nationalistic' fan boys who wave the flag for Spanish or German drivers (for example).
I'm old school, drivers first and up until 1996 a rabid Ferrarista, however, these days I find the F1 'Constructors' have lost touch with real world 'Manufacturers', where 'Mercedes' is only a label stuck on a team that have no roots with the name and a nondescript Asian company can field a 'Lotus' that is only labeled as such because they 'Own' the name, while I have yet to see any form of production car wearing the 'Red Bull' badge.
I should add that the connection between any manufacturer running in NASCAR and the vehicles that roll off their production lines is in name only, as the power-plants are virtually identical and the rest of the car is 'Cookie-Cutter' identical.
Can the average consumer purchase a pushrod V8 wearing a Holley off the showroom floor today??
The same applies to our 'Australian' Supercar Series, the only differences between GMH and Ford are engine and bodyshell, while the GM teams can't run the Australian made Holden engine (since the late '90s regulation that they must use the Chevrolet small block) and Ford ceased manufacturing a V8 in Australia at least 15+/- years ago.
So I remain a follower of drivers first and foremost, no more and no less, with not many to choose from at that.
Wing_Z
Charter Member 2011
Smart Move, the FIA has passed the buck
"Following their controversial one-two result at the German Grand Prix, Ferrari have been fined US$100,000 by the FIA after race stewards deemed they had breached sporting regulations and the case has been referred to the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC)."
"Following their controversial one-two result at the German Grand Prix, Ferrari have been fined US$100,000 by the FIA after race stewards deemed they had breached sporting regulations and the case has been referred to the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC)."