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FSX native AVRO Tutor

Twice43 said:
Having made several 'landings' in the Native Tutor I am wondering how on earth the pilots could see where they were going on approach?
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Yeah....a little side slip would help. In real life the pilot would lean out and look down the side of the aircraft to keep the landing target in view.

I found I could do it by sliding my viewpoint around. Ctrl and the arrow keys (left/right/up/down) work quick enough to keep me happy.

TrackIR users have an easier time if one wishes to spring for the hardware and wear a funny hat while flying.

Mind you.....except in the most temperate climates....the real life open aircraft pilot will need to wear a funny hat anyway......so.....good way to add realism to the simulation....

:adoration:
 
Twice43 said:
Nav lights??
Real pilots don't need nav lights!:mixed-smiley-010:

Having made several 'landings' in the Native Tutor I am wondering how on earth the pilots could see where they were going on approach?
Perhaps I'm 'sitting' too low in the cockpit, but I can't see any runway in the last 50' or so. Did they side slip in to get their line up altitude correct?
T43
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Generally you can't see the runway straight ahead if you fly a long final.

Fly a close in base leg leading to a curved approach to a short final, and use a gentle side slip or gentle S turns down final.

In the final few moments before touch down get used to looking out either side to keep straight and to judge your round out height. It becomes second nature, but don't ever stop flying until the aircraft is stopped.

Pete.
 
Reference is made in "Reach for the Sky" (Brickhill book) re: Bader witnessing someone he knew making a landing approach in a Tutor. Flying solo, and this man was a physically very imposing specimen, tall and well-built so his head and shoulders were well above the rear cockpit coaming. Bader knew who it was (a senior officer). As I think Nigel has stated in one of his write-ups on this airplane, it was the first in RAF service to have brakes. Apparently this man made a very good approach but forgot the brakes were included in the package and so was squeezing the hand brake without realizing it. Touched down and promptly flipped the aircraft over on its back.

PS - I like the sleeping pilot, too. A relaxed atmosphere is conducive to learning.
 
magoo said:
I see nothing wrong with that pilot.....other than he's probably experiencing the effects of Ouzo in the cockpit.

It's probably a regional thing....

None the less....Avro's 621 aircraft were known to be a "gentleman's" flyer, and could certainly be expected to fly themselves home within such scenario.....

........And the pilot would wake up refreshed.
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SSI01


PS - I like the sleeping pilot, too. A relaxed atmosphere is conducive to learning.
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Well played, gents! :biggrin-new:
 
Twice43 said:
Tutor out of Fairoaks.
Flies magnificently.
T43

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[Does the pic show]?
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Does it show!!!

Thanks for sharing the awesome screenshot, Tango43 :)
 
PeteHam said:
Generally you can't see the runway straight ahead if you fly a long final.

Fly a close in base leg leading to a curved approach to a short final, and use a gentle side slip or gentle S turns down final.

In the final few moments before touch down get used to looking out either side to keep straight and to judge your round out height. It becomes second nature, but don't ever stop flying until the aircraft is stopped.

Pete.
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That's my buddy Pete!!!
Thanks for all your enthusiasm and testing throughout the development of this Project, matey:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4bjwZvKIdQ

In his World, I'm just the coffee boy!
 
Thanks for this lovely conversion! Now us P3Dv4.4 flyers can enjoy this incredible creation!! :jump:

Priller
 
Motormouse said:
Hi Joe, no, not really all 621's, while the majority of the airframe is same, they do have different engines, Armstrong-Siddeley Mongoose 155 hp in 621, Armstrong Siddeley Lynx 180hp in Tutor. (Although some late build Tutors were in fact model 626 Prefect with gunners position faired over). Then there are the 626 Prefect, export versions got Armstrong-Siddeley Cheetah 230 hp engine, and then there's the 646 Sea Tutor (on floats),and then Polish built ones, which were wood, with Wright Whirlwind engines.

Oh, and as things progressed, the Lynx engine got more hp, as did the Cheetah.

As you can imagine, Magoo, myself, and Keith have had a bit of fun and head scratching to make them all similar but different to fly.

Ttfn

Pete
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Interesting, so then is it safe to say the second phase of Tudors with the cowl and tail wheels are more likely 626's than 621's?
 
blanston12 said:
Interesting, so then is it safe to say the second phase of Tudors with the cowl and tail wheels are more likely 626's than 621's?
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This is going to seem contradictory, (and I know you asked earlier if they were all 621's) but not exactly, they are an improved 621.

The initial 621 with the added improvements was just called the Tutor, the name given to it by RAF ; but for manufacturing purposes kept the 621 designation.....

but

depending when they were built, they might have started build as a 626, but finished as a 621 configuration as the need arose to keep deliveries going.

These were factory designations, whereas the main customer (the RAF) referred to them as Trainer, Tutor, and Prefect respectively.

Like all aeroplanes, as they progress in service improvements are made to the specification as the customer requests, and like most manufacturers of the period, Avro kept a lot of commonality between the models so that they didn't have to re-tool to produce the different variants.

The wiki entries might help or confuse you even more..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Tutor

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_626

Ttfn

Pete
 
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.Indeed Magoo.. and what a piece of work is this Avro by Nigel, in form and moving how express and admirable, in action how like an angel

(apologies to Wm Shakespeare)

Ttfn

Pete
 
"What’s in a name? That which we call a rose,
By any other word would smell as sweet."


"Indeed Magoo.. and what a piece of work is this Avro by Nigel, in form and moving how express and admirable, in action how like an angel

(apologies to Wm Shakespeare)

Ttfn

Pete"

James, Pete; Poetry as well as awesome technical wizardry - can't keep up with you both! :)

“Knowledge is the wing wherewith we fly to heaven.” William Shakespeare
 
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