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More AF Corsair Repaints

Skyhawk, thank you for sharing that, I enjoyed reading an article on the subject by someone as knowledgeable as Dana Bell (although I'm always hesitant to instantly accept another's findings/opinions). In several photos from 1946, of the same basic markings (including this one), they appear quite bright/light against the glossy sea blue - even in period drawings for the markings (circa 1946), they simply refer to them as being yellow (no mention of orange). It was during this same time period that you also see the start-up of the Blue Angels, operating F6F Hellcats. Their basic markings were simply glossy sea blue and yellow. To me, it would seem natural for them to use those colors, if for at the time all of the Naval Reserve fighters all throughout the country were already using those colors anyway, as seems to be illustrated in the 1946 B&W photos by how bright the markings are. In other photos, especially from later on (1947/48), with the same layout/type of markings, the markings often appear quite a bit darker than in 1946, perhaps switching to international orange at that point (and as seen in the 50's).

For added interest/discussion, according to the IPMS site, this is the military's "orange yellow" from the time period, which also appears the same as "chrome yellow", and sometimes referred to as "insignia yellow". This is what I have adjusted the markings to match (will show some screenshots shortly): http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=33538
 
John, thank you for sharing these paints. As always, your talent amazes me. You continually raise the bar with each new repaint... Many thanks, my friend. :applause:
 
Thank you Quicksand, I appreciate it!

For comparison, here are some shots of both the clean and weathered versions with the "orange yellow" markings matched to FS:33538 (sometimes referred to as "orange yellow", "insignia yellow", and very close/same to "chrome yellow"). If it really was like this, you can see where/why the Blue Angels scheme got its start at the same time period (1946), first operating Hellcats in glossy sea blue with yellow markings. From everything I've divulged, I think this is very close to what it really must have looked like. Note on the weathered version, I made it a bit more clear to see the painted over star & bars on the fuselage, as you can see in the original period photo. The blue paint on the weathered example could perhaps use some attention still, by having a bit more saturation of blue and more concentrated shine, and the orange yellow on the clean example could use less shine (which causes the markings to look more yellow than they should under certain light conditions). I'll get there... : )







 
Speaking of FG-1D Corsairs, besides the Olympic Flight Museum's FG-1D having been completed and now flying as of 2014, Barry Avent's FG-1D NZ5612, registed N43FG, was also completed/flown the for this first time in 2014. Based in South Carolina, it is one of only two former RNZAF Corsairs flying in the world today. Presently, it is only painted in a base scheme of glossy sea blue, with the decision still not confirmed as to what markings it may eventually carry (USN, RNZAF, etc.), possibly applied during this winter. (Also, an F4U-5, painted in gorgeous Honduran markings, was completed and has been flying in Australia since earlier in 2014, owned by Graham Hosking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHZwWYI4jyA)



 
First, here is another modified version of Tom "Fliger747" Falley's FDE for the Corsair, with modifications to match the changes between when the FDE was originally created for the Milviz model, and to after A2A/AF took it over (shifting the model), causing all of the original contact/reference points to be out-of-whack.

The modifications include (some are newly added):

- Weight and balance reference points to match the A2A/AF model
- Contact points to match the A2A/AF model
- Cockpit viewpoint to match the A2A/AF model
- External viewpoints to match the A2A/AF model
- Fuel tanks are positioned to match the A2A/AF model (different between F4U-1A and -1C/-D variants)
- Engine location points to match the A2A/AF model
- Increased normalized starter torque to that of the A2A/AF model, so that when pressing the starter switch the engine will start
- Adjusted tailhook entry to match the A2A/AF model (the exaggerated one I prefer, for more realistic trap results)
- The original lights and effects entries from the original A2A/AF model
- Added a smoke system for airshow flying (the smoke generator is connected to the starboard-side exhaust).
 

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Bomber_12th said:
First, here is another modified version of Tom "Fliger747" Falley's FDE for the Corsair, with modifications to match the changes between when the FDE was originally created for the Milviz model, and to after A2A/AF took it over (shifting the model), causing all of the original contact/reference points to be out-of-whack.

The modifications include (some are newly added):

- Weight and balance reference points to match the A2A/AF model
- Contact points to match the A2A/AF model
- Cockpit viewpoint to match the A2A/AF model
- External viewpoints to match the A2A/AF model
- Fuel tanks are positioned to match the A2A/AF model (different between F4U-1A and -1C/-D variants)
- Engine location points to match the A2A/AF model
- Increased normalized starter torque to that of the A2A/AF model, so that when pressing the starter switch the engine will start
- Adjusted tailhook entry to match the A2A/AF model (the exaggerated one I prefer, for more realistic trap results)
- The original lights and effects entries from the original A2A/AF model
- Added a smoke system for airshow flying (the smoke generator is connected to the starboard-side exhaust).
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Now dont confuse the question JT...when we gonna get that great USNR paint? Dont make me do my own. :biggrin-new:

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John,

with the latest FDE, are the wheel breaking parameters OK? On the slightest touch it tends to nose over or cartwheel with differential brakes applied.


Cheers,
Mark
 
roger-wilco-66 said:
John,

with the latest FDE, are the wheel breaking parameters OK? On the slightest touch it tends to nose over or cartwheel with differential brakes applied.
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I have noticed they're strong, but I've always only used them only marginally (with rudder pedals). This is the original product's brakes entry in the Aircraft.cfg file, in which the toe braking force is quite a bit less. Simply replace this section with the one below, using the original product values:

[Brakes]
parking_brake=1
differential_braking_scale =1
toe_brakes_scale=0.85
hydraulic_system_scalar=1
 
Mark,I noticed that on the earlier one, but the new one seems OK.
thanks John for the New FDE.It really adds life to that old Corsair!
Stan
 
Bomber_12th said:
First, here is another modified version of Tom "Fliger747" Falley's FDE for the Corsair, with modifications to match the changes between when the FDE was originally created for the Milviz model, and to after A2A/AF took it over (shifting the model), causing all of the original contact/reference points to be out-of-whack.

The modifications include (some are newly added):


- Added a smoke system for airshow flying (the smoke generator is connected to the starboard-side exhaust).
Click to expand...

Thanks John for the Changes and the brake mod. She flies fine. I did notice that when the power is off the tail hook
doesn't move, is that normal or the way it works? Just curious.

The Smoke effect system I take it that if I press the "I" key, white smoke will billow out to the rear. At least that is what I experienced.
I am not sure about the smoke gen you mentioned. Is there a switch in the cockpit that would activate it or then the "I" key?
 
Nope, no switch in the cockpit, just use the I-key. I provided it just for the heck of it, as I originally added that smoke system entry to go along with my repaint of the Texas Flying Legends Corsair, to match the real-life example which, despite being an extremely authentic/accurate restoration, it has a smoke generator installed that is connected to the exhaust on the starboard-side, as illustrated in these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcmE7QI1WZY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nkrLxBiFr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcpRYMaB3fw

Regarding the tailhook, I think it is just hardwired into FSX to only work when the engine is running, with it likely connected to hydraulic pressure by default.

I think I'm finally content with this one, enough, to let it go. This will likely be my last repaint for a while, as this coming week I'm back to my regularly scheduled program again - and I need to finally get around to putting together an update on the status of the Warbirdsim P-39 (in-case y'all forgot about that one). I added a few more small details to this repaint that I found on some photos of other Reserve Corsairs from the time period (like the all so common "no hand hold", in this case written on the forward antenna mast).







 
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+1 looks nice. I never seen Corsairs lettered with colors like this but it sure looks nice
Got a kick at comment someone here made about the corsairs as hose nose ensign eliminators. :)

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The majority of the Naval Reserve Corsairs and Hellcats all over the country in the years 1946 to about 1949, looked that way.

Here are just a few photos of just a few others like it - now that the Livermore scheme is done, I've been thinking of putting together a set of others like it, from other Naval Reserve stations from the same time period (especially the NAS New York and a NAS Glenview examples, as seen below) as well as others from the 50's, that are more like my NAS Minneapolis scheme.

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By 1949, the markings appear darker, as seen below, perhaps by then switching to international orange, rather than yellow as the original 1946 guideline illustrations for this paint scheme outline. The first two below are from NAS Minneapolis (present-day Minneapolis International), circa 1949, operating side-by-side with Hellcats in matching schemes.

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A comment about brakes (which might apply to many things): During a long career in flying it was always necessary to adapt ones self and technique to the plane and existing conditions. For a plane like the Corsair with a very heavy R2800 at the front, brakes had to be used with some skill. With some speed say, early during a landing roll up (or otherwise appropriate) elevator could be applied along with braking. However as the plane decelerates and aerodynamic control is reduced, one must come off the brakes to indeed not nose over!

The Corsair is a favorite aircraft, trusting to have an opportunity to run through all this again sometime in the future.

Regards: Tom
 
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