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Project Dornier Do-17z2
- Thread starter aleatorylamp
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yes, sir, i can clearly see
the lower section of the nose is NOT symmetrical.
i always have. i also know
you have been trying to point this out for quite some time.
please believe me, i honor and respect you opinion.
after all these years, i am more than well aware
of your meticulous attention to detail.
i both admire it and find it aggravating.
unfortunately for me, at this point in time,
i am not as interested in a gnats ass accurate
Do17z bomb view bmp as you are.
i, honestly, would be happy with
the clear view i've used on other bombers.
i am only doing this one as a favor to Stephan.
my main interest here is to provide a panel,
with a roughly realistic view of the glazing,
for users to direct bombs accurately to a target.
i believe they will and should be concentrating
more on alignment to the target,
as oppose to checking to see,
whether the window glazing is symmetrical, or not.
if i was really that concerned with historical accuracy,
i doubt there would be gauges like, gps, adf,
auto pilot, my bomb aimer and so on and so forth.
as far as i'm concerned,
i've waited for nearly 20 years for this model for cfs.
granted, i have mine and now, i think it's high time
for the rest of the cfs community to enjoy their copy.
i need to get on the stick and finish the bomb panel,
so Stephan can release, asap.
as i tried to state at the top,
i mean no disrespect for your opinion.
i simply disagree and am merely stating mine.
the lower section of the nose is NOT symmetrical.
i always have. i also know
you have been trying to point this out for quite some time.
please believe me, i honor and respect you opinion.
after all these years, i am more than well aware
of your meticulous attention to detail.
i both admire it and find it aggravating.
unfortunately for me, at this point in time,
i am not as interested in a gnats ass accurate
Do17z bomb view bmp as you are.
i, honestly, would be happy with
the clear view i've used on other bombers.
i am only doing this one as a favor to Stephan.
my main interest here is to provide a panel,
with a roughly realistic view of the glazing,
for users to direct bombs accurately to a target.
i believe they will and should be concentrating
more on alignment to the target,
as oppose to checking to see,
whether the window glazing is symmetrical, or not.
if i was really that concerned with historical accuracy,
i doubt there would be gauges like, gps, adf,
auto pilot, my bomb aimer and so on and so forth.
as far as i'm concerned,
i've waited for nearly 20 years for this model for cfs.
granted, i have mine and now, i think it's high time
for the rest of the cfs community to enjoy their copy.
i need to get on the stick and finish the bomb panel,
so Stephan can release, asap.
as i tried to state at the top,
i mean no disrespect for your opinion.
i simply disagree and am merely stating mine.
aleatorylamp
Charter Member
Hello Ivan,
Thanks for the clear photos!
Yes, the assymetry is clearly visible on the pictures, and looking closely also on the three b/w photos I posted some weeks ago, it is also to be seen when you know what you´re looking for! I realize you´ve mentioned it several times, but I couldn´t see it until now. Sorry!
Possibly the reason for building the canopy that way was the cheek and chin window frame on the right, together with the gun mount...
Well, as Smilo is making such a good panel view, I don´t know to what extent it will be needed to adjust the model´s canopy frame and glass. Maybe it´s too much of a bother just for the sake of accuracy, if such acccuracy is not so warranted.
Smilo! What shall I do? I really don´t mind leaving it as it is OR trying make the adjustments, but above all, I don´t want to complicate your side of things. I am, as it were, quite non-plussed by this issue, and I´d also be quite happy to upload the machine asap, so that the rest of the community can enjoy it.
P.S. See the Skull and Crossbones on the staircase panel in the photo!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
Thanks for the clear photos!
Yes, the assymetry is clearly visible on the pictures, and looking closely also on the three b/w photos I posted some weeks ago, it is also to be seen when you know what you´re looking for! I realize you´ve mentioned it several times, but I couldn´t see it until now. Sorry!
Possibly the reason for building the canopy that way was the cheek and chin window frame on the right, together with the gun mount...
Well, as Smilo is making such a good panel view, I don´t know to what extent it will be needed to adjust the model´s canopy frame and glass. Maybe it´s too much of a bother just for the sake of accuracy, if such acccuracy is not so warranted.
Smilo! What shall I do? I really don´t mind leaving it as it is OR trying make the adjustments, but above all, I don´t want to complicate your side of things. I am, as it were, quite non-plussed by this issue, and I´d also be quite happy to upload the machine asap, so that the rest of the community can enjoy it.
P.S. See the Skull and Crossbones on the staircase panel in the photo!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
Hello Smilo,
Thank for the reply. I AM sometimes a rivet counter and sometimes I am not.
It all depends on where and when.
If you look closely at the nose glazing on my Mitchell, especially on top, you will find a few differences between what I built and what it REALLY looks like.
There is also a missing round window on each side of the fuselage just aft of the wing root trailing edge.
I usually miss a few things on each project.
Regarding panels, at least this Dornier 17Z will have a bomb aimer. My bombers will not until I can figure out a few things.
My reason for calling attention to the asymmetry is because I figure as long as you are creating your own texture, you were probably basing it on a drawing of some kind and it costs no more to draw in the asymmetry as opposed to leaving it out.
Some things are distracting: The only BV 141 out there has an instrument panel from a FW 189.
What is distracting is the dual engine control texture on an aeroplane that only has one engine.
That doesn't mean I follow all details either.
The only real panel I have put together is for the A6M Type Zero.
There are LOTS of details wrong with that one but I basically accomplished what I had in mind which was to create an arrangement resembling the real thing but with functionality appropriate to CFS.
In reality, lots of instrument panels are very high but one of those really can't be fit into the CFS proportions without costing something.
The P-39 Airacobra has something along those lines.
I did something similar for the Eindecker which actually had a much simpler arrangement than I put in.
I still haven't figured out what to do when a panel has both a compass and a directional gyro because functionally, those two instruments are the same in the CFS environment.
Oh well, perhaps there will be yet more changes as I learn how to properly set up a panel.
Hello Aleatorylamp,
It sounds to me like you have the answer you asked for earlier about whether or when to release your project.
I can tell you that it probably should not wait for my German Twin Gauges because those may take quite a while.
I was figuring that up to this point, neither of you saw the asymmetry; I had no idea that Smilo already recognized it.
You put in what you want on your model.
I can think of a bunch of other changes, but that is why my model is where it is and yours is nearly complete.
This story has been repeated numerous times.
My P-3 Orion is still sitting as a partial project that is no further along than my Dornier 17Z and a dozen other fairly worthy projects.
By the way, your Shakespeare quote is actually from Hamlet, not Othello.
I have read Othello but not Hamlet, but my Son is currently reading Hamlet for his English class.
He has actually missed this entire week of school; He had a pretty serious fever and head ache until this morning.
- Ivan.
Thank for the reply. I AM sometimes a rivet counter and sometimes I am not.
It all depends on where and when.
If you look closely at the nose glazing on my Mitchell, especially on top, you will find a few differences between what I built and what it REALLY looks like.
There is also a missing round window on each side of the fuselage just aft of the wing root trailing edge.
I usually miss a few things on each project.
Regarding panels, at least this Dornier 17Z will have a bomb aimer. My bombers will not until I can figure out a few things.
My reason for calling attention to the asymmetry is because I figure as long as you are creating your own texture, you were probably basing it on a drawing of some kind and it costs no more to draw in the asymmetry as opposed to leaving it out.
Some things are distracting: The only BV 141 out there has an instrument panel from a FW 189.
What is distracting is the dual engine control texture on an aeroplane that only has one engine.
That doesn't mean I follow all details either.
The only real panel I have put together is for the A6M Type Zero.
There are LOTS of details wrong with that one but I basically accomplished what I had in mind which was to create an arrangement resembling the real thing but with functionality appropriate to CFS.
In reality, lots of instrument panels are very high but one of those really can't be fit into the CFS proportions without costing something.
The P-39 Airacobra has something along those lines.
I did something similar for the Eindecker which actually had a much simpler arrangement than I put in.
I still haven't figured out what to do when a panel has both a compass and a directional gyro because functionally, those two instruments are the same in the CFS environment.
Oh well, perhaps there will be yet more changes as I learn how to properly set up a panel.
Hello Aleatorylamp,
It sounds to me like you have the answer you asked for earlier about whether or when to release your project.
I can tell you that it probably should not wait for my German Twin Gauges because those may take quite a while.
I was figuring that up to this point, neither of you saw the asymmetry; I had no idea that Smilo already recognized it.
You put in what you want on your model.
I can think of a bunch of other changes, but that is why my model is where it is and yours is nearly complete.
This story has been repeated numerous times.
My P-3 Orion is still sitting as a partial project that is no further along than my Dornier 17Z and a dozen other fairly worthy projects.
By the way, your Shakespeare quote is actually from Hamlet, not Othello.
I have read Othello but not Hamlet, but my Son is currently reading Hamlet for his English class.
He has actually missed this entire week of school; He had a pretty serious fever and head ache until this morning.
- Ivan.
aleatorylamp
Charter Member
Hello Ivan,
I´m also glad your son´s getting better, and I hope his recovery will be complete and soon.
I confused Othello and Hamlet! Aarghh! The two we didn´t do at school! Only Macbeth,
King Lear, A Winter´s Tale and Much Ado About Nothing. But, at least we did some...
They were actually quite fascinating, as we had an excellent literature teacher who loved
his job and we could actually see what was going on in our mind´s eye!
The two I confused, jealousy, loyalty and unfaithfulness on one hand, and doubt and revenge
on the other, both went into the same witches´ cauldron, and my lack of knowledge thought
"to be jealous or not to be jealous"... Oh dear!
Ok, cleared up on the Dornier Schnellbomber then! There is always an opporunity later for
improvements when they appear.
Cheers, and thank you for commenting!
Aleatorylamp
I´m also glad your son´s getting better, and I hope his recovery will be complete and soon.
I confused Othello and Hamlet! Aarghh! The two we didn´t do at school! Only Macbeth,
King Lear, A Winter´s Tale and Much Ado About Nothing. But, at least we did some...
They were actually quite fascinating, as we had an excellent literature teacher who loved
his job and we could actually see what was going on in our mind´s eye!
The two I confused, jealousy, loyalty and unfaithfulness on one hand, and doubt and revenge
on the other, both went into the same witches´ cauldron, and my lack of knowledge thought
"to be jealous or not to be jealous"... Oh dear!
Ok, cleared up on the Dornier Schnellbomber then! There is always an opporunity later for
improvements when they appear.
Cheers, and thank you for commenting!
Aleatorylamp
Hello Aleatorylamp, Smilo,
Can you tell me exactly what you need as far as gauges for the Dornier 17Z?
This may yet be another funny situation. Note that so far, the only gauge I have ever built and is public use is the N2 RPM Gauge that is on your Heinkel 162? None of my releases have had a custom gauge yet.....
Time to go back to tweaking gauges.
- Ivan.
Can you tell me exactly what you need as far as gauges for the Dornier 17Z?
This may yet be another funny situation. Note that so far, the only gauge I have ever built and is public use is the N2 RPM Gauge that is on your Heinkel 162? None of my releases have had a custom gauge yet.....
Time to go back to tweaking gauges.
- Ivan.
aleatorylamp
Charter Member
Hello Ivan,
Don´t worry, there´s really no need to alter your development routine.
You are doing an admirably thorough and organized job with your new gauges, and I don´t want to interfere with that, and of course, I appreciate your offer very much.
The results of your Heinkel RPM gauge with NoDice´s bitmap work was absolutely great - and there was not only KPW.JetN2H-1.gau for engine 1, but also KPW.JetN2H-2.gau, for a possible Me262´s engine 2.
I had been trying out another pair of your experimental prop-engine 1 and 2 gauges with the AT-9 Fledgling (Jeep), those which funnily enough, at that time, needed a different bitmap depending on the plane they were used for, but were fantastic. (Could it be that the read-out perhaps was percentage RPM, as opposed to effective RPM ?).
The Default FSFS RPM gauges I always use, give a falsely high read-out until the panel has been cycled through window-view and full-screen-view. Then, if the RPM is higher than max. value, it never stops doing strange things.
Luckily that the Do17-z2´s engines are low revved and the Default FSFS 1-2 RPM gauges can be used.
Well, enough waffling!
I really don´t want to bother you, because I don´t want to put a spanner in the works.
Of course, I wouldn´t deny that I wouldn´t mind having an RPM-1 and RPM-2 gauge for the Schnellbomber, and the gauge style seems to coincide with the style of Dial-Bitmap that NoDice was using for the Heinkel - I also see it on your gauge screenshots.
Oil temp. and pressure, and manifold pressure gauges would also come in handy... but it´s too much work for now.
If I were to use such gauges, that would also put Smilo under pressure too for a nicer panel, and I don´t want to do that either. That´s why I wasn´t uploading the machine, but as it seems to be interesting after all to do so now, basically, I think it is more comfortable for everyone if I upload the Schnellbomber now with the simplified panels and standard gauges, creating no hassle for anyone else.
Later, once a new panel and new gauges are done without you and Smilo having to work on them with your tongue hanging out and wiping sweat from your brow as it were, I can release an update - that way there is another incentive for later!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
Don´t worry, there´s really no need to alter your development routine.
You are doing an admirably thorough and organized job with your new gauges, and I don´t want to interfere with that, and of course, I appreciate your offer very much.
The results of your Heinkel RPM gauge with NoDice´s bitmap work was absolutely great - and there was not only KPW.JetN2H-1.gau for engine 1, but also KPW.JetN2H-2.gau, for a possible Me262´s engine 2.
I had been trying out another pair of your experimental prop-engine 1 and 2 gauges with the AT-9 Fledgling (Jeep), those which funnily enough, at that time, needed a different bitmap depending on the plane they were used for, but were fantastic. (Could it be that the read-out perhaps was percentage RPM, as opposed to effective RPM ?).
The Default FSFS RPM gauges I always use, give a falsely high read-out until the panel has been cycled through window-view and full-screen-view. Then, if the RPM is higher than max. value, it never stops doing strange things.
Luckily that the Do17-z2´s engines are low revved and the Default FSFS 1-2 RPM gauges can be used.
Well, enough waffling!
I really don´t want to bother you, because I don´t want to put a spanner in the works.
Of course, I wouldn´t deny that I wouldn´t mind having an RPM-1 and RPM-2 gauge for the Schnellbomber, and the gauge style seems to coincide with the style of Dial-Bitmap that NoDice was using for the Heinkel - I also see it on your gauge screenshots.
Oil temp. and pressure, and manifold pressure gauges would also come in handy... but it´s too much work for now.
If I were to use such gauges, that would also put Smilo under pressure too for a nicer panel, and I don´t want to do that either. That´s why I wasn´t uploading the machine, but as it seems to be interesting after all to do so now, basically, I think it is more comfortable for everyone if I upload the Schnellbomber now with the simplified panels and standard gauges, creating no hassle for anyone else.
Later, once a new panel and new gauges are done without you and Smilo having to work on them with your tongue hanging out and wiping sweat from your brow as it were, I can release an update - that way there is another incentive for later!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
aleatorylamp
Charter Member
Hello folks -
Almost forgot!
I still have to SCASM this machine, for the VCockpit and engine bleeds through the cabin floor and window struts.
Let´s see how that goes.
Cheers,
Aleatorylamnp
Almost forgot!
I still have to SCASM this machine, for the VCockpit and engine bleeds through the cabin floor and window struts.
Let´s see how that goes.
Cheers,
Aleatorylamnp
Hello Smilo,
The SCASM to correct things for the Virtual Cockpit is actually pretty easy though also quite tedious.
Tedious and Easy??? Yeah, like opening a one pound bag of M&Ms and arranging them all by colour and with the "m"s facing in the same direction. Pain in the tail but not difficult.
Hello Aleatorylamp,
The reason I was asking is because I was thinking of extracting the bitmaps from the stock Microsoft Multi-Gauges and seeing if I could use them to program a set of multi engine gauges but with the stock appearance.
Since I was going to try anyway, I figured that I might as well start with one of the German gauges from either the Me 109 or the FW 190A.
Perhaps the P-51D would really be better since I am so used to looking at that one.
Still taking little baby steps here....
- Ivan.
The SCASM to correct things for the Virtual Cockpit is actually pretty easy though also quite tedious.
Tedious and Easy??? Yeah, like opening a one pound bag of M&Ms and arranging them all by colour and with the "m"s facing in the same direction. Pain in the tail but not difficult.
Hello Aleatorylamp,
The reason I was asking is because I was thinking of extracting the bitmaps from the stock Microsoft Multi-Gauges and seeing if I could use them to program a set of multi engine gauges but with the stock appearance.
Since I was going to try anyway, I figured that I might as well start with one of the German gauges from either the Me 109 or the FW 190A.
Perhaps the P-51D would really be better since I am so used to looking at that one.
Still taking little baby steps here....
- Ivan.
aleatorylamp
Charter Member
Hello Ivan,
Well, if you are sure it it won´t put you out, and if you are feeling adventurous (ha ha!),
then, what I´d use on the Dornier Do17-z2 as far as engine 1 and 2 gauges are concerned,
would be perhaps:
- RPM,
- Oil pressure,
- Oil temperature, and
- Boost Pressure.
I expect they didn´t worry much about the other stuff at that time, like exhaust temperature,
cylinder head temperature, or fuel flow. ...unless of course they did!
Anyway, that would be the picture... if Smilo agrees, of course,
because I´m sure he knows more than I do.
Thank you for your offer!
In fact, it would be absolutely fantastic, because I´ve actually been waiting to find some
multi-engine gauges for at least 12 years now!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
Well, if you are sure it it won´t put you out, and if you are feeling adventurous (ha ha!),
then, what I´d use on the Dornier Do17-z2 as far as engine 1 and 2 gauges are concerned,
would be perhaps:
- RPM,
- Oil pressure,
- Oil temperature, and
- Boost Pressure.
I expect they didn´t worry much about the other stuff at that time, like exhaust temperature,
cylinder head temperature, or fuel flow. ...unless of course they did!
Anyway, that would be the picture... if Smilo agrees, of course,
because I´m sure he knows more than I do.
Thank you for your offer!
In fact, it would be absolutely fantastic, because I´ve actually been waiting to find some
multi-engine gauges for at least 12 years now!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
aleatorylamp
Charter Member
Hello Smilo,
As regards panels and stuff, I just tend to make approximations,
just to make them look better than a Cessna Panel - unless I cop
out and use the Sopwith Camel default panel! Nothing like the
Do17Z panel screenshot that you posted earlier on!!
Then, as far as gauges are concerned, it´s complicated for me
to identify them from a photo, and since you guys have been flying
around for years, you know more than I do!
Anyway, I´ll rephrase the question:
Would you agree that the 4 instruments I mentioned are enough?
Or more precisely: Did WW2 twins have EGT-CHT + FuelFlow, gauges?
As they aren´t in the CFS1 multigauges, if they were needed, I could
try doctoring-up the frames of for them, using the default FSFS
EGT-CHT + FuelFlow, gauges.
Not that I´m worried about it - I´d just as soon forget about them, if
you ask me, but more gauges always look cool!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
As regards panels and stuff, I just tend to make approximations,
just to make them look better than a Cessna Panel - unless I cop
out and use the Sopwith Camel default panel! Nothing like the
Do17Z panel screenshot that you posted earlier on!!
Then, as far as gauges are concerned, it´s complicated for me
to identify them from a photo, and since you guys have been flying
around for years, you know more than I do!
Anyway, I´ll rephrase the question:
Would you agree that the 4 instruments I mentioned are enough?
Or more precisely: Did WW2 twins have EGT-CHT + FuelFlow, gauges?
As they aren´t in the CFS1 multigauges, if they were needed, I could
try doctoring-up the frames of for them, using the default FSFS
EGT-CHT + FuelFlow, gauges.
Not that I´m worried about it - I´d just as soon forget about them, if
you ask me, but more gauges always look cool!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
just to add to the confusion,
i have two needle multi engine gauges,
-fuel pressure
-oil pressure
-manifold pressure
-cylinder head temperature (C)
the thing is, i'm not sure if they're accurate,
or, if they even function properly.
that said, i have been working on a do17 panel layout.
most of the gauges are stock fw190a or bf109e,
with a couple add ons thrown in for good measure.
of course, they look okay, but are only single engine,
so, they don't work properly for the starboard engine.
and i still haven't finished the bomb aimer panel.
patience is a virtue, but,
this is bordering on ridiculous.
i have two needle multi engine gauges,
-fuel pressure
-oil pressure
-manifold pressure
-cylinder head temperature (C)
the thing is, i'm not sure if they're accurate,
or, if they even function properly.
that said, i have been working on a do17 panel layout.
most of the gauges are stock fw190a or bf109e,
with a couple add ons thrown in for good measure.
of course, they look okay, but are only single engine,
so, they don't work properly for the starboard engine.
and i still haven't finished the bomb aimer panel.
patience is a virtue, but,
this is bordering on ridiculous.
aleatorylamp
Charter Member
Hello Smilo,
OK, thanks!
So then, what I could do for the extra 2-needle gauges that are not contained in the FW190 or Bf109 multigauges, is to take the default FSFS ones and alter the casing frame so that it matches the style of the FW190 / Bf109 gauges.
What do you think of that?
Then, together with Ivan´s newly created set from the multigauges, once that´s done, the set would complete!
This could also be for the event that the 2-needle multi-engine gauges that you have didn´t work correctly.
As regards the Do-17Z bomb aimer´s panel, I was having a go at it too, but I wonder...
Here´s a screenshot. I wonder if it´s any good.
Another thing, as we´re talking about panels:
I finally found the Otto-BI biplane open cockpit panel I had made. I´d lost it, and it wasn´t with the plane, because there were other vintage Biplanes using it.
The upload I did yesterday was with the default Sopwith Camel panel, and after SCASM-correcting the virtual cockpit and uploading that, Rami slipped it into the aircraft.
Now, the question is: Is it worth while pestering Rami again to also slip this custom panel into the Otto_BI pusher, or is it best to leave things as they are now?
Below is a screenshot of the panel in question.
On other Flight Simulator Sites, they also upload panels without the actual aircraft, so I could also just upload an "early vintage open cockpit Biplane Panel". Maybe that would be the best idea.
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
OK, thanks!
So then, what I could do for the extra 2-needle gauges that are not contained in the FW190 or Bf109 multigauges, is to take the default FSFS ones and alter the casing frame so that it matches the style of the FW190 / Bf109 gauges.
What do you think of that?
Then, together with Ivan´s newly created set from the multigauges, once that´s done, the set would complete!
This could also be for the event that the 2-needle multi-engine gauges that you have didn´t work correctly.
As regards the Do-17Z bomb aimer´s panel, I was having a go at it too, but I wonder...
Here´s a screenshot. I wonder if it´s any good.
Another thing, as we´re talking about panels:
I finally found the Otto-BI biplane open cockpit panel I had made. I´d lost it, and it wasn´t with the plane, because there were other vintage Biplanes using it.
The upload I did yesterday was with the default Sopwith Camel panel, and after SCASM-correcting the virtual cockpit and uploading that, Rami slipped it into the aircraft.
Now, the question is: Is it worth while pestering Rami again to also slip this custom panel into the Otto_BI pusher, or is it best to leave things as they are now?
Below is a screenshot of the panel in question.
On other Flight Simulator Sites, they also upload panels without the actual aircraft, so I could also just upload an "early vintage open cockpit Biplane Panel". Maybe that would be the best idea.
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
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aleatorylamp
Charter Member
Hello again, Smilo,
I was just checking the FSFS two-needle gauges but a lot of them don´t seem
to work on the Do17Z, only the Manifold Pressure needle.
Strangely enough, do work on the Baltimore and the Fledgling, except for
cylinder head temp. and Fuel Flow - these don´t work anywhere.
I wonder what´s going on.
If they won´t work, there´s no point in doing the bitmaps, of course.
I´ll have to check further, especially why they won´t work on the Dornier!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
I was just checking the FSFS two-needle gauges but a lot of them don´t seem
to work on the Do17Z, only the Manifold Pressure needle.
Strangely enough, do work on the Baltimore and the Fledgling, except for
cylinder head temp. and Fuel Flow - these don´t work anywhere.
I wonder what´s going on.
If they won´t work, there´s no point in doing the bitmaps, of course.
I´ll have to check further, especially why they won´t work on the Dornier!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp