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TANK..WITH AIRCRAFT RADIEL ENGINE ??

The U.S. Army did not consider the M-18 a "Tank", hence the designation Tank Destroyer.

Might seem to be a minor point in retrospect, but at the time it was not. Armies fight and equip based on doctrine. U.S. Army doctrine held that the tank was an offensive weapon used for exploitation in the offense and strong point in the defense. It was to be supplemented by Artillery, air support, infantry, as well as direct fire anti-tank weapons.

The M-18 was a direct fire artillery gun, adapted specifically for the anti-tank role. In offense, it was used for screening and reconnaissance. In defense, it was used to provide retrograde fires to slow an offensive down by forcing the threat into a tactical formation as opposed to a march column, this allowing the "Tanks" to assume a hardened position. The tank destroyers would then bound back behind the tanks and prepare for the next retrograde, or offensive operation as results of the defense dictated.

Due to that doctrine, armor was sacrificed for speed. The big radial engine was chosen to it's ability to run up fast and allow the platform and crew to displace rapidly.

Important to remember that U.S. Army doctrine was that all forces were mutually supporting. While the Wehrmacht theoretically had a similar doctrine, in reality their ground forces broke down into components very rapidly, partly because their weapons systems were not acquired with their own doctrine in mind. I personally attribute that to the inherent corruption of the Nazi acquisition system, but that's my opinion.

I mention this because I'm often told how superior the Tiger Tank was to the Sherman. Which in a one on one engagement it plainly was. Of course, there weren't that many one on one engagements, as there were some 67,000 Sherman's fielded during the course of the war, and only about 3000 Tiger's made. The average Sherman crew never saw a Tiger Tank.

In any case, the M-18 served a key role in the Battle of the Bulge as a section of M-18's brought a much larger formation of Tigers to a screaming halt, buying much needed time.
 
I was just going to mention German doctrine in comparison to US doctrine too, but you covered it much better than I would have.

German armored doctrine actually morphed as the exingecies of the war placed demands on weapons systems not normally designed to function as they did towards the end.

An example of that would be the StuG 3 (Sturmgeschuetz or assault gun) and other turetless gun platforms. Originally designed as infantry support vehicles; they, by necesity, became Panzerjaeger (tank hunters) and at the end of the war actually deployed as tanks, even though the service branch was artillery for the assault guns. The Panzerkampfwagen IV, the Panther and the King Tiger chassis were also built in turetless forms so that they could mount the ever larger cannon needed in the antitank role and also because they required less strategic materials and skilled labor to build. This all must have been a disapointment to the older tank leaders who had been schooled in the multi-arms offensive "Blitzkrieg" doctrine of the early war years.
 
I often hear of Tiger-vs-Sherman debates. While semi-interesting, it must be noted the most numerous tank in the German army was the Panzer Mk. IV. About equal to the Sherman in most respects, like armor and mobility, but had a much better long barrel 75mm. But later Shermans with 76mm guns in the T-23 turrets helped close the gap.
P.S.
I would rather be a Sherman mech, than a Tiger or Panther mech.
P.S.S. The M-76 Otter Amphib vehicle was powered by a Lycoming 4-banger aero engine.
 
I listen ,intently on the Military Channel,the recollections of old adversaries...in WW2..they talk with vivid memory s ,these now old guys of the war...I glean out that the NAZI Tankers weres far better trained..All say that,The SS divisions most notably.


The German gun was very effective.as an anti aircraft gun or for any other applications.

The German tanks were good but became dated..as the War progress on many fronts,from deep into Russia,the desserts of North Africa,,all thru Europe,they were stretched thin,and attrition was faster than replacements.Good tank crews hard to be replaced....kids were stuck into those traps,Many inexperienced.

Meanwhile GM ,and FORD going full blast,unencumbered..Putting out stuff at record rates!So too in russia the "T" tanks...The more that got destroyed the more came out ..exhaustible...this while one German tank was destroyed!..it was one less!

What was the best tank killers in WW2 ,the war against NAZI GERMANY Why Day light,and night time Bombing of all their industrial sites. This along with Fighter Bombers at will knocking them off!.It had to be the determining factor....however the Romanticism of a Rommel,a Patton ,A Montgomery,is still alive after all these years.

Those Old Men,now embrace one another, with misty eyes..ram rod former Tank commanders,Fierce warriors in their youth,now see the futility of that dam war.....

And yet ,In the Gulf Tank war,Tanks,technology,unimagined a few years ago,crushed the old IRAQ SOVIET tanks....it was Overwhelmingly divesting...

Great posts guys..Learned a lot!..Thanx..Vin
 
Just another interesting fact, since we are on the subject of tanks and aircraft. The gun in the Sherman is the same gun they fitted into the nose of the B-25H, believe it or not.
 
I would rather be a Sherman mech, than a Tiger or Panther mech.

Oh absolutely. Whatever their fearsome reputation on the battlefield, they were also known as a maintenance nightmare. Clearly the engineers who worked these projects did not give much thought to the realities of normal repair on the battlefield.

These discussions are interesting because they're still going on. The Leopard, possibly the best all around tank in the world is diesel. The M1, undoubtedly the most lethal tank ever produced, is jet powered. Engineers trying to accommodate slightly differing purposes. The U.S. Army is still casting about for the perfect recon and anti-tank vehicle (the role the M-18 filled in WWII)....vis a vis the M551 Sheridan (not a tank), the M3 Bradley (not a tank) and the modern Stryker (not a tank) all examples of the ongoing argument.

One thing I am convinced of though is that when you need a tank, only a tank will do....so I'm curious to see how the current U.S. Army foray into the non-tank arena will turn out. I certainly hope it's not too expensive in terms of lives or mission.
 
The Continental W-670 used in the M2 Combat Car and the M3 Stuart was the same as used by the PT-17 (225-250 HP range). :salute:

Marc
 
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