Convair Delta Wing Test

[YoYo]

Nice choice and part of interesting history!!!
P3Dv4 ready also ? (pretty please)

 

[odourboy]

Great photo Yoyo!

 

[Milton Shupe]

Nice choice and part of interesting history!!!
P3Dv4 ready also ? (pretty please)

Best photo of my archives now.

P3Dv4 of course.

Thanks

 

[Milton Shupe]

Milestone

Just got the first cut of the flight model, and our First flight ...

 

[warchild]

wht arent there any "like" buttons on this page?? Looking fantastic Milton.. I love it already..

 

[Milton Shupe]

wht arent there any "like" buttons on this page?? Looking fantastic Milton.. I love it already..

Thank you Pam; I was surprised in went into the sim so easily on a first cut FM. No probs in taxi, takeoff or climbout, great stability, but underpowered at the moment.

I am missing N1 and N2 numbers for the J33-A-29 variant on this first cut but at least we have the basics in place for balance and stability.

Took her to FL250 no problem; handles well.

We are happy with this start.

Now, back to modeling to populate the cockpit with some basics, then onto the mapping for textures.

 

[Flyboy208]

Such a cool project ! Love the exotic X types. A good family friend was a USAF test pilot who knew Yeager well and had some great stories to tell. Mike

 

[Mach3DS]

Milton if need be, we could also opt for the J33-A-16, which might have more information available. Which is the final engine variant with Afterburner that NACA had installed for all of Scott Crossfield's flight testing.

 

[napamule]

Pogo

Josh,
Paul Clawson made one (FSDSv3, for FS2004) back in 2005. It flys well in FSX. I did not use Rob's VTOL Gauge - made my own FDEs, Turbo-Prop. Here is a video of it landing on Tokyo Skyscraper Helo Pad in FSX Accel. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr5xjupE3MU . But you have to learn to fly it and most simmers don't have the time or patience to learn how to fly it. Flys like a helicopter so there is a learning curve. But it's 'airplane' not helicopter FDEs.
Chuck B
Napamule
Edit: Found the link to video of it flying in FS2004. Link: https://youtu.be/VP8EdVX6LdU

 

[gribouil]

Hi Milton and Team,
I can contact Jean-Pierre Bourgeois (BEEGEE as he is known on several FS forum) who worked on the Restauravia Mirage III and did marvels on her FDE if you want?
Cheers,

Stéph.

 

[warchild]

Engine data may be a bit of a problem, but the J33 allows extrapolation from data for other aircraft (T-33, P-80, etc.).

No point in defining a delta planform in the FDE when you need to determine its aerodynamic characteristics by coefficients (C_L, C_d, etc.) in the .air file and aircraft.cfg anyway. Same for elevator influences in terms of pitch acceleration, moment and drag increase.
FSX flight dynamics reference (minus engine-related things): http://fsdeveloper.com/forum/resources/flight-dynamics-in-msfs-v1-0.169/

The worst thing about making FDEs is having to fill gaps (usually a lot and very wide) in source data with a lot of time-consuming trial and error.



Some charts containing aircraft characteristics are displayed in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HKQ87g4SsQ

Yeahhh, FDE's are cascade after cascade of variables effecting other variables and changing them on the fly. We all WISH they could be set in stone, but that'll never happen. The laws of physics just wont allow it.

 

[nigel richards]

Some wire frames to share here; I know some folks like to see such things.

AWESOME!

Hugely appreciated, and duly downloaded/stored to where I cherrish such treasures.

Thank YOU, My Friend - most heartening to see you testing exciting new waters.

 

[Bjoern]

Yeahhh, FDE's are cascade after cascade of variables effecting other variables and changing them on the fly. We all WISH they could be set in stone, but that'll never happen. The laws of physics just wont allow it.

I wish there was an external tool for deriving steady state data from an aircraft.cfg and .air file. AJPC and AirWizEd already do this, but only in relatively isolated areas of the FDE.
The worst and most time consuming thing about flight testing in FSX is always having to accelerate toward the test point after an aircraft reload because FSX doesn't save engine spool state.

 

[Josh Patterson]

Josh,
Paul Clawson made one (FSDSv3, for FS2004) back in 2005. It flys well in FSX. I did not use Rob's VTOL Gauge - made my own FDEs, Turbo-Prop. Here is a video of it landing on Tokyo Skyscraper Helo Pad in FSX Accel. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr5xjupE3MU . But you have to learn to fly it and most simmers don't have the time or patience to learn how to fly it. Flys like a helicopter so there is a learning curve. But it's 'airplane' not helicopter FDEs.
Chuck B
Napamule
Edit: Found the link to video of it flying in FS2004. Link: https://youtu.be/VP8EdVX6LdU

That was a pretty tight landing spot! Does it have a VC? I'd like to know just how hard of a time Skeets had backing one of these down!

 

[Milton Shupe]

AWESOME!

Hugely appreciated, and duly downloaded/stored to where I cherrish such treasures.

Thank YOU, My Friend - most heartening to see you testing exciting new waters.

LOL Nigel; I knew you would like them. Thanks

Finished the exterior animations and now ready to map for textures. Yeaaaa!

 

[Milton Shupe]

Hi Stéph,

I must leave that decision to Rick as I believe he has someone to do it already.

Thanks for your offer; will keep it in mind.

 

[Sundog]

Woohoo, up to the texture stage. I'm looking forward to it being painted as the "MiG-23" (fictional) from the movie Jet Pilot.

 

[Mach3DS]

Milton's hard work. Mapping in work.

 

[Milton Shupe]

Nice shots Rick. Now, if we can find a pilot brave enough to pilot her.

Anyone have a late 40's - early 50's pilot figure (at least head and helmet with oxy mask) to donate? Able to convert to Gmax is necessary.

Here's a pic of what we are looking for.

 

[gribouil]

Hi Milton,
no problem at all!!!
If you ever need his knowledge, Jean-Pierre Bourgeois is really very good at creating flight dynamics.
Anyway, I'll be looking forward to the development of this beauty!
Cheers,

Stéph.