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Convair Delta Wing Test

000rick000 said:
Sorry I thought it was 2, there are 4 interior shots with only ONE of the main panel... all fuzzy and and no whole shots...too bad. If someone who lives nearby would like to take some shots of the interior if possible, I would like to see it, even for just curiosity sake!


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Those look like a JJ Abrams movie with all that light bloom..
 
000rick000 said:
I will be painting both cameras Milton! Have no fear. They will be included!

What will be nice, is that we have some neat camera options for P3D, so for those users I plan on having camera locations in those positions.
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I think one camera was used to capture the movement of the air flow of the right wing decorated in flow strings. Not sure about the other.

I have corrected the left side rudder actuator, but will now go back and correct the tip.

Edit: now corrected and changes sent to Rick.
 
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Something I'm curious about that you probably know already is the elevons length. Is it a set length or does it extend to the tip of the wing? There are 3-views that support both but in this youtube video you can see it does not extend to the end of the wing. The bare metal version looks this way but maybe it was modified on the later painted white version?

Note 5:10 into this clip:


3-view showing "short" elevons.

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There were 3 versions I believe. Rick can likely explain it better but I modeled them per the 3 sets of 3-views I have. We are aware that there was a different set for trial to try to fix the massive pitch up issue they were experiencing.

EDIT: I have pictures of the bare metal version that shows it both ways so they apparently changed to full width fairly early. All the painted versions show a full width elevon.

EDIT: there were also several different sets of wing fences used. We modeled with and without as an option.

There were also different camera setups in case you find one that is different. I have pics with none, one, and two cameras. This was a test machine and a lot of changes took place.
 
There's was a version where the elevons were short and we're like a Mirage elevon not extending to include wingtip. However we went with three later model and engine, which used full elevon to the wing tip. This allowed for the tip to extend into the slip stream below the wing kind of like a counter balance. However, the 3 view you are showing above is for a model (RC likely?) And not the actual aircraft. We elected the full elevon because it was used most in phase 2 and 3. Along with wing fences. We have those as optionally selected from a VC switch. We also have an intake test article that installs with the wing fences.
 
We have modeled the version with the afterburner installed. AFAIK, all afterburner models had the full width elevon.
 
Moses03 said:
Something I'm curious about that you probably know already is the elevons length. Is it a set length or does it extend to the tip of the wing? There are 3-views that support both but in this youtube video you can see it does not extend to the end of the wing. The bare metal version looks this way but maybe it was modified on the later painted white version?

Note 5:10 into this clip:


3-view showing "short" elevons.

LQYjEP3.jpg
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The problem with this aircraft is:

It lacks a definitive source of chronological events. Sundog sent me a great article about this program but given it's details the photo record contains anomalies. For instance..."phase I" should have been bare metal with a J33A23 engine. But there's photos showing the no wing fence bare metal J33-A-29 afterburning engine with full wing tip elevon. Even though the record states that "phase II" is when the new engine and paint job should have been!

So I will paint the original Phase I, Phase II bare metal, Phase II White, and Phase III NACA white.
 
Jeepers, Milton.

I think you may have come down with a bug.

After years of consistent radial engine designs, we're witnessing two similar curios in close succession.

Mid engine pushers with unorthodox air-frame design, both from the Consolidated-Vultee frame of mind.....

Now, I suspect that the cure for this disorder may be something like putting the lime in the coconut and drink it all down.....but in this regard I believe you may have found a healthier solution, turning the affliction into the cure.

One can't help but notice all the folks who're clamoring to catch what you've got...... :mixed-smiley-010:

Next thing you'll be telling us that the sound barrier can be broken, and pilots will have rocket powered seats to escape aircraft in distress....!?! (I know, I know....it will never end...... :encouragement: )
 
magoo said:
Jeepers, Milton.

I think you may have come down with a bug.

After years of consistent radial engine designs, we're witnessing two similar curios in close succession.

Mid engine pushers with unorthodox air-frame design, both from the Consolidated-Vultee frame of mind.....

Now, I suspect that the cure for this disorder may be something like putting the lime in the coconut and drink it all down.....but in this regard I believe you may have found a healthier solution, turning the affliction into the cure.

One can't help but notice all the folks who're clamoring to catch what you've got...... :mixed-smiley-010:

Next thing you'll be telling us that the sound barrier can be broken, and pilots will have rocket powered seats to escape aircraft in distress....!?! (I know, I know....it will never end...... :encouragement: )
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I knew you would show up with an observation so well stated. Fact is, I am having withdrawal symptoms as we speak, and have delved into a S2A Tracker conversion to sooth the pain. Ugghhh!
 
I'm sure this has crossed the mind of the experts here, but my guess is that while there were official "Phase I, Phase II and Phase III" testing that was documented, I have to wonder if, in between all that, there wasn't a fair amount of . . ."Hey, let's stick this on there and see what we get" testing as well. It's possible that some photos were taken during those impromptu "Phases". . .attributed to whatever Phase they happened to be in at the time, but not officially documented as such.
 
falcon409 said:
I'm sure this has crossed the mind of the experts here, but my guess is that while there were official "Phase I, Phase II and Phase III" testing that was documented, I have to wonder if, in between all that, there wasn't a fair amount of . . ."Hey, let's stick this on there and see what we get" testing as well. It's possible that some photos were taken during those impromptu "Phases". . .attributed to whatever Phase they happened to be in at the time, but not officially documented as such.
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Precisely! Which is why I think there are photos that I can't resolve within the official "Phases". Hit the nail on the head!
 
tankerguy72 said:
Yes, but have ran into trouble switching to windows 10 then trying to get projects transferred from GMAX to 3DS
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Ah, a good reason to have a Windows 7 development box or dual boot.

Which model are you doing, and do you intend to complete it?

I am doing the S2A-CDF and will do the S2T's if you are not.
 
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