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Lost 10 Years Of Work Thanks To MS

Just to add my own condolences on what must be a horrific loss through no fault of yours. Unlike others I've been very lucky with my data, only once coming close to loosing a hard drive many years ago now. But the feeling was sickening so I can't imagine what you and your family are going through right now. I sincerely hope you get thought it OK.

All the very best, friend.

DaveQ
 
I'm sorry AussieMan, I happen to think that your remark in the given circumstances is wholly inappropriate. Our friend just lost 10 years of work and you see fit to criticize him about that. The fault was not his, he clearly indicated to the media creation tool to use the thumbdrive and the tool didn't do that.

Kicking a man who is down because he just lost 10 years of work through no fault of his own... I hope you feel good about yourself.

You're staff here, so probably I will now be banned.

Priller

I had a rather unfortunate encounter with AussieMan a couple of years ago (in my Annuschka thread). He later attributed that to humor. Let's hope he does the same here.

The loss is catastrophic, unforeseen and devastating. I will help any way feasible should a path forward resolve. Gordo has done SO MUCH, for SO MANY and I remain obliged.

Best- C

PS- If you go, we go.
 
Gman.......

. Greetings, I am not a participant in FSX (yet) but have been following your thread and have sent you a PM. Hope it helps.
 
This is a terrible situation. I hope a reasonable outcome can be attained. Gordon has been a strong contributor to FS and this community for a long time. This is just a disaster given the parameters.
 
I'm still trying to understand how 4 experienced training pilots allowed a Boeing 777 to get down to 88 knots over the fence into SFO, but it happened. Even the best of us make an occasional error.

I wasn't re-formating. I was downloading an executable to a thumb drive. If I were going to re-format anything I would unplug every frickin' thing in the box, except the drive I intended to format. I had just assembled the new box, installed drivers, updated everything and loaded Windows. The Windows version was outdated, so I decided to download the current version and re-install. I've downloaded a gozillion executables in the past and never had one detour into the wrong location...then proceed to re-format that location without my directing it to. I have, in fact, been re-downloading every single add-on I ever purchased for the last three days and so far not a one of them has trotted off to blitz any of my four drives.

That said, the world is full of people who have had massive losses because of buggy MS software. That installer was directed towards a thumb drive, instead it took the only other USB in use. Wish I could turn back the clock Pat, but I can't.

That work was not a hobby, it was the final stages of an entire product line intended to provide for my wife and myself in my retirement. The work contained an entirely new autogen technology to replace the antiquated systems in FSX and P3D. There was an entire library of vegetation objects from trees to grasses to brush for every region on the planet. The hand painted art alone represented volumes. The aircraft are another conversation, the accumulated work of one man working relentlessly for a decade

My research, which is what I actually do in the real world spanned four decades. Total loss..and irrecoverable.

This work was my Opus and it's gone. I didn't f up, other than to leave my six open for MS to push a torpedo into.

Thanks mate....

Gordon, my apologies if I have stepped over the line. I may have misread your OP and for that I am sorry. You contribute so much to the flight sim community both with freeware and payware that it horrifies me that you have virtually lost a lifetime of work. Hopefully all or most of it can be retrieved.
 
Gordon, my apologies if I have stepped over the line. I may have misread your OP and for that I am sorry. You contribute so much to the flight sim community both with freeware and payware that it horrifies me that you have virtually lost a lifetime of work. Hopefully all or most of it can be retrieved.

Spoken like a true gentleman Pat. I am sure you meant no malice.

Apology accepted sir. :very_drunk:
 
... probably I will now be banned...

Again..? :pirate:

Ok, we've all made mistakes. Just like in aviation, accidents are never caused by one thing. They are caused by a "chain of events". Break one link in the chain, and the "event" does not happen. Having a backup not connected to the computer being formatted is just one. We can all learn from this thread!
 
So that everyone can learn from this.

Be advised...I was not formatting a drive. I was working on a brand new, fully installed system with five formatted drives, an operating OS updated and with all of my software installed. It was a fully functioning system. The outdated OS was throwing hardware codes that I could not correct with updates. I decided to re-install Windows using the current version.

I went to the MS website to download the Media Creation Tool. I had purchased a clean Kingston thumb drive for the download. The procedure should have been a routine download of an executable to a specific device. I had no reason to anticipate any sort of problem or to disable my internal and external drives. We don't do it for aircraft or scenery...right? It's an executable. Watch any tech video on the procedure. You don't see the tech gutting their machine to download the Media Creation Tool. They tell it to go to the thumb drive. I selected the Kinsgston thumb drive, I know that because it said 'Kingston Thumb Drive".

The intended procedure, assuming that I would have had a bootable thumb drive. This is where it is important to disconnect peripherals.

1. Power down, unplug and disable EVERYTHING, removing power and data cables except for the intended installation drive, in this case the onboard Samsung M.2 SSD.
2. Boot in via the BIOS and direct the boot priority to the thumb drive.
3. Allow the machine to boot and follow the Windows installer procedure. In this case it would also be necessary to delete the partitions from the previous install.
4. Complete the install on the blank partition, in this case partition 0.
5. Disable all of the bits you don't want Windows to "help" you with, name the computer, password...yada yada yada...DISABLE CORTANA!!!!!!
6. Complete the install.
7.Re-boot and install all of your drivers then update the drivers if you have a LAN connection. Once all of the drivers are current, update Windows. This can take three or four updates until all hardware is recognized and current. Now shut down.
8. Plug in all additional drives including SATA and USB, then power back up.
9. Go to the Drive Manger and check all of your drives. I my case they should pop up as they were originally tasked in the previous install. My peripheral drives are already formatted so everything would pop up in the Disk Manager ready to go to work.

THE ONLY FORMATTING WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE SAMSUNG SSD I INSTALLED THE OS TO DURING THE INSTALLATION BOOT.

I don't want to harp on this, but it is imperative to me that the details are clearly understood so that others can use the information to avoid potential data loss.
 
Here's the most current status.

Right now I'm running a full scan with the recovery software, about a ten hour process for my rig. Once the scan is done, the software will save out a macro file of everything it has retrieved from the unallocated space that the Windows Media Creation Tool placed on the 5TB external.

The data will be organized into macro folders containing every file type searched by the recovery software. It's a comprehensive software, so all of the important file types will be recognized. The important bits are Photoshop, 3D Studio Max, 3D Studio, BMP, JPEG, Targa, TIIFF, Zip and a few more. Once I have the full scan and recovery I can determine if I have recoverable data, most importantly my 3D Studio and Photoshop files. If the recovery software does not produce usable files I'll need to look into the option of a forensic specialist. I've been researching a few, and I've had input from members here and friends. If a specialist can guarantee full recovery of the data I will look at the cost/benefit of the procedure.

I really appreciate everyone's support and offers to help. I'm working the problem using a pragmatic, systematic method. I'll know more today and post up for those interested.
 
I’ve been following this thread with much interest. I’ve suffered a few data loss incidents myself, both on my sim rig and at work, but nothing of this magnitude. My paranoia now forces me to keep multiple backups of everything!
Gordon, I sincerely hope you get this sorted and retrieve what was lost. Best of luck and thanks for all of your contributions to the flight sim community.

Cheers, Bernard
 
Gordon-

You've been on my mind, and I'm hoping that you will have some good news to share soon. Please know we are with you, and grateful for all you do/have done for us.

Do drop us a line when time permits.

Best- C
 
So that everyone can learn from this.

I don't want to harp on this, but it is imperative to me that the details are clearly understood so that others can use the information to avoid potential data loss.

It's a tragedy, definitely but YOU need to learn from this.

Never, ever, ever, leave backup drives (or any drives not necessary to the task in hand - whether OS House-keeping or deep simming or whatever) - connected, when working "under the hood" with Windows - It WILL find a way of ruining your day - or in your case your decade.

I learned that the hard way about twenty-five years ago when I lost pretty much everything from over five years of graphic design in Windows '95. I have never trusted MS since. And I haven't suffered the catastrophic loss you have as a result.

You have made many posts about hardware/ software, etc - It's a bummer but, quite honestly, you should have known about this.

Luckily, these days - data is retrievable to a much greater extent than it was when I lost my data so it's a pretty straightforward process.
 
It's a tragedy, definitely but YOU need to learn from this.

Never, ever, ever, leave backup drives (or any drives not necessary to the task in hand - whether OS House-keeping or deep simming or whatever) - connected, when working "under the hood" with Windows - It WILL find a way of ruining your day - or in your case your decade.

I learned that the hard way about twenty-five years ago when I lost pretty much everything from over five years of graphic design in Windows '95. I have never trusted MS since. And I haven't suffered the catastrophic loss you have as a result.

You have made many posts about hardware/ software, etc - It's a bummer but, quite honestly, you should have known about this.

Luckily, these days - data is retrievable to a much greater extent than it was when I lost my data so it's a pretty straightforward process.

You may want to follow the advice in your signature....
 
Ah.....foot-in-mouth disease...;)

Anyone who has NOT had an issue with Microsoft's [lack of] competence probably uses a Mac.
 
It's a tragedy, definitely but YOU need to learn from this.

Never, ever, ever, leave backup drives (or any drives not necessary to the task in hand - whether OS House-keeping or deep simming or whatever) - connected, when working "under the hood" with Windows - It WILL find a way of ruining your day - or in your case your decade.

I learned that the hard way about twenty-five years ago when I lost pretty much everything from over five years of graphic design in Windows '95. I have never trusted MS since. And I haven't suffered the catastrophic loss you have as a result.

You have made many posts about hardware/ software, etc - It's a bummer but, quite honestly, you should have known about this.

Luckily, these days - data is retrievable to a much greater extent than it was when I lost my data so it's a pretty straightforward process.

And there I was thinking that AussieMan's comment was bad... I was wrong. Your comment is heartless and above all ignorant. Maybe a wee course in comprehensive reading is in order here.

I wonder, is that a chip on your shoulder, or just a huge piece of dandruff? You sir, are a horrible piece of work.

Priller
 
Luckily, these days - data is retrievable to a much greater extent than it was when I lost my data so it's a pretty straightforward process.

I'll refrain from comments on your opinion, except for the "Pretty straightforward process" bit.

Straightforward:

The full scan returned 1,239,000 files in 10,596 file folders.
201,959 files were corrupted or unrecognizable by the software.

A partial list:
3D Studio Max 3,590
3D Studio 353
Photoshop 6,250
Bitmaps 111,968
Targa 400
Zip files 2,521
Cab files 1,697
.bgl 43.320

The 3DS Max files are recovered in a format not recognized by my version of Max. To read the files requires I purchase a different version of Max, once I find out which version the files are saved in

The Photoshop files are recoverable, but require I open each one, determine what it is and save it out to a new file structure.
The bitmaps are a bigger pile of the same.

The Zip files are corrupted, requiring that I re-download every zip I ever purchased or acquired.
The purchase records were lost along with the serial numbers.

Ancillary point:
My research is a total loss. I retain most of it in memory, but when engaged in a debate with someone like yourself who is less acquainted with facts I prefer to be able to point to data. Most of the research I do requires obtaining data before it is purged from the internet. Case in point, a forensic study by Mark Skidmore a Michigan State University PHD in economics and his team of graduate students who documented $21 trillion (above the $22 trillion official US debt) in un-adjusted expenditures by the Department of Defense and HUD in the US. I was able to link to and download the actual financial reports from .gov sources before they were purged three days later. The Skidmore study prompted an official response in the form of a bit of quiet legislation, FASB56 eliminated transparency in DOD spending. That didn't get purged BTW, so I downloaded it to christen my new research databank.

Back to the straightforward part.
To re-assemble my data I would need to cross reference every recovered file to every other recovered file of the 1,239,000 files scanned. Doing the math that's a really big number, probably around the 21 trillion I referenced above. The alternative is to hire a DOD level forensic team to run their recovery algorithms to recover my data intact. That runs about $3,000 an hour, depending on who one hires.

I've spent the better part of the week going through the Photoshop files. Luckily I am retrieving a large percentage of my original, layered work intact. I've done about two thousand files...only four thousand to go. I can also retrieve much of my mesh and bitmap work from my published work, but those will require reverse engineering and much re-building to create my 6 aircraft projects, five scenery projects and scenery library models which number in the thousands. The autogen and vegetation models are another huge project...thousands more.

The rest of the million plus files...well, I'll get to those down the road.

In My Humble Opinion
I find it mildly ironic that a company with the market cap of Microsoft cannot provide a data recovery service for the tens of thousands who have suffered catastrophic loss as a result of their software. The former Chairman, Mr. Gates has topped the 100 Billion mark, along with Mr. Bezos, and dedicates his philanthropic work to farming medical mosquitoes and pumping heavy metals into the atmosphere. He does not maintain a foundation for victims of the monopolistic business practices of his former company. I have however, taken comfort over the course of the week in the fact that I have received no less than five notices from MS congratulating me on the MS bonus points I recently "earned" that will allow me to acquire a viking helmet, or perhaps some other trinket to highlight my status as a loyal Windows "user".

You sir, know precisely nothing of my situation and are in possession of no knowledge that entitles you to tell me what I should or should not learn. Your remark is wholly reprehensible and inappropriate. I attempt to conduct myself as a gentleman on this forum, but I do have my limits.
 
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You sir, know precisely nothing of my situation and are in possession of no knowledge that entitles you to tell me what I should or should not learn. Your remark is wholly reprehensible and inappropriate. I attempt to conduct myself as a gentleman on this forum, but I do have my limits.


Gordon, my apologies I spoke both out of turn and after a few at the pub last night - never a good time to come to the forums.

I guess what happened was I read the thread and all the anger and rage which has never quite abated from my own data loss all those years ago came flooding to the surface and out.

If I was having a go at anybody it was the young man that was me when I stupidly reformatted that hard drive of mine and lost all the contents of my early graphics work - that was five years work - not ten, but it felt equally momentous at the time.

I apologise again, I was lashing out at myself - not you.
I hope you continue to recover those files and wish you well.
 
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